Chiefs Gretz: No new QB... - Page 7

Coogs · 09-21-2011, 02:04 PM

...sounds like 3 more weeks of Cassel at least.

http://www.bobgretz.com/

September 21, 2011 - Bob Gretz | Comments (3)

From the Truman Sports Complex

Todd Haley said Wednesday afternoon it was too early to judge the performance of starting QB Matt Cassel, other than to say it must improve.

“Two games is too early to recognize an identity of a team,” Haley said. “We obviously need to change things here pretty quick to keep our identity from being something we don’t want it to be. It does take four or five games. The same goes for players.”

Statistically, only Jacksonville’s starting QB Josh McCown has gotten off to a worse start than Cassel. His passer rating is 50.4, a full 20 points behind the next guy above him in the league rankings. His 4.3 yards per passing attempt is the worst in the league. In 10 statistical areas for quarterbacks, Cassel’s highest ranking is No. 13 for completion percentage. Otherwise, he’s ranked 22 and below and in half of those categories, he’s ranked No. 30 or lower.

keg in kc · 09-22-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

If Stanzi cannot play this year, he probably will never be able to play.

I think that's inherently a false assumption, on several different levels.

**BossChief** · 09-22-2011, 02:50 PM

Keg, do you really believe that Palko is better than this guy?

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whoman69 · 09-22-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think that's inherently a false assumption, on several different levels.

This team is tanking based on its current course. Given that, another QB will be drafted to right the ship. Where does that leave Stanzi? If he doesn't get a shot this year, he never will. If I'm Stanzi I want that shot because there may not be another.

keg in kc · 09-22-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Keg, do you really believe that Palko is better than this guy?

BossChief, do you really know how to read the English language? I mean, I don't particularly want to be insulting, but come on - how many times do I need to say the exact same thing until it starts to sink in...

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Originally Posted by Me

As I've tried to explain about 27 times now, I'm not saying that he is or ever will be better than Stanzi. All I've said, simply put, is that I think it's meaningful that Stanzi has not surpassed him on the depth chart. I think that's evidence that perhaps Stanzi is not ready to play in an NFL game, and because I don't think 2nd or 3rd string quarterbacks get a whole lot of coaching during the season, I would suspect that means he may not be ready to play at any point in 2011.

**BossChief** · 09-22-2011, 03:06 PM

"I thought Palko was the better player in the preseason."

I think I read that just fine, wouldn't you agree?

keg in kc · 09-22-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

This team is tanking based on its current course. Given that, another QB will be drafted to right the ship. Where does that leave Stanzi? If he doesn't get a shot this year, he never will. If I'm Stanzi I want that shot because there may not be another.

It's not a foregone conclusion that they tank, although I think they will. It's not a foregone conclusion that they draft a quarterback if they do tank, and I actually believe they won't; I think they'll go vet again, much to everybody's chagrin. And it's not a foregone conclusion if they do draft a quarterback and/or acquire a veteran that Stanzi won't get an opportunity to compete next year anyway.

I would further contend that playing Stanzi this year would perhaps not be giving him a shot so much as putting him in a position to fail. And in fact, much to the contrary of what I believe people probably think, I don't want to play him now because I think he deserves a legitimate shot later, when he'll actually be ready to perform. Which again, I think his current position on the depth chart speaks to.

That said, nothing would make me happier than seeing him move up the depth chart sometime in October, and then going out on the field and looking like Tom Brady. I just don't expect that, and I won't see it as a failure on either his part or the organization's if it doesn't happen.

keg in kc · 09-22-2011, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

"I thought Palko was the better player in the preseason."

I think I read that just fine, wouldn't you agree?

If you want to ignore the context of the hundreds and hundreds of other words I've said on the subject, certainly.

Maybe you just don't have the horsepower to handle it.

In any case, I think I've made my position plenty clear. It's not really worth getting into an argument over, because it's something I have nothing vested in personally and absolutely no ability to change. For right now Palko's 2 on the depth chart and Stanzi's 3, and all I can do is comment on that fact. I certainly can't change it.

If that fact changes, then the context of the discussion will change, because at that point it would appear that the team believes Stanzi more ready than they seem to believe he is right now.

Only time will tell.

**BossChief** · 09-22-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

If you want to ignore the context of the hundreds and hundreds of other words I've said on the subject, certainly.

Maybe you just don't have the horsepower to handle it.

In any case, I think I've made my position plenty clear. It's not really worth getting into an argument over, because it's something I have nothing vested in personally and absolutely no ability to change. For right now Palko's 2 on the depth chart and Stanzi's 3, and all I can do is comment on that fact. I certainly can't change it.

If that fact changes, then the context of the discussion will change, because at that point it would appear that the team believes Stanzi more ready than they seem to believe he is right now.

Only time will tell.

I was only responding to that quote the whole time and I thought that was clearly evident.

Sorry for not being clear enough, I guess.

Ive said many times, Stanzi has plenty of experience in this offense, he just needs to know the playbook.

That is the ONLY thing keeping him from being the #2 QB.

By mid season, that shouldn't be a problem anymore...but if he has to play after the bye that would be OK too. They might have to call plays from a limited amount of the playbook, but that doesn't change a thing because with Cassel at Qb, you cant call plays from a full playbook anyway due to his limitations.

suzzer99 · 09-22-2011, 04:00 PM

I fully agree that the Chiefs may not get the #1 pick no matter how hard they try. But if they do get the #1 pick they will draft Luck, barring a crazy collapse by him or injury. To think otherwise is silly.

whoman69 · 09-22-2011, 07:58 PM

Keg, didn't mean it as an argument. We will agree to disagree. To my mind it serves no purpose to put a dead man walking in at QB. There are some assumptions in my opinion. If Check Down stay in there I am 100 % confident we tank. We may not even win a game if he plays this badly. At some point you have to look to the future. When does that come? Is it when were 0-5?

Nobody here knows for sure why Stanzi is #3. It may be as simple as Palko has a year in the system. The fanbase will leave in droves if we get another retread QB. Its been nearly 30 years since we attempted to develop a QB. The time has come. If we have the #1 pick and pass on Luck, the Chiefs would be the laughingstock of the league as much as the Lions were when they drafted a WR every year. Either way if we draft Luck, Stanzi gets no shot. If we bring in a vet, that vet has to fail for Stanzi to get a shot.

Setsuna · 09-22-2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

Yeah, cause he was so good in practice all through camp that he never pushed past 3rd on the depth chat behind Tyler freaking Palko.

Look dude, if Stanzi can't beat Palko, then let the mofo play. He'll lose those games for you worse than your top 2 QBs on your team right? Just by where he is on the depth chart. Because that truly defines someone's talent, right? Right?

Marcellus · 09-22-2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99

I fully agree that the Chiefs may not get the #1 pick no matter how hard they try. But if they do get the #1 pick they will draft Luck, barring a crazy collapse by him or injury. To think otherwise is silly.

I agree with all of it.

What the hell else would you do when the best QB prospect in years is in your lap and the new rookie salary system makes him as cheap as ever?

No brainer. Nobody could **** that up. if Carolina would get the pick for example they have to trade it, they just drafted a QB #1.

It would be interesting to see a team like Carolina get the #1 pick to see what they bounty is to get it. Holy shit. With the rookie salary set up it would make the pick worth more now in my opinion.

NJChiefsFan · 09-22-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

That's exactly why I don't care if Cassel is benched. They'll just go to Palko instead of Stanzi. Stupid.

Gotta do step 1 before you can get through step 2. If they bench Cassel based off his play, I really can't see Palko lasting the season.

Sucky · 09-22-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Keep Cassel all 16 games. no more bullshitting. ITs Andrew Luck time.

agreed

**007** · 09-22-2011, 10:57 PM

It's the Chiefs. They will screw this up.

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