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Old 12-18-2011, 03:07 PM  
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Would the Chiefs have won this game with Haley?
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:32 PM   #91
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I was being sarcastic.

Orton completed 3 more screen today than Cassel has all season (if you don't count the one he through to Eric Weddle).
Gotcha. I am amazed people think the play calling was so different.

I saw the same offense just executed better by the QB.

Pope had 2 of the biggest plays in the game, Pope.

That doesn't sound too different except we had a QB who noticed he was open.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:32 PM   #92
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Give me a specific play that wasn't effected by the QB actually throwing the ball down field rather than shitting himself.

What 2 screen passes?
Fully agree.

I know screen passes sound simple. But watching orton execute a simple screen and a playaction... Night and day. The presence of mind to run a quick count on some wr screens. The patience to wait for a screen to develop then delivering a touch pass. The effort to actually sell a play fake rather than just nonchalantly tucking the ball into your hip.

These are a few small but very impactful ways orton helped make simple plays far more effective.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:32 PM   #93
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because that's what has happened the last few weeks...
The Steelers game was his first week as a Chief, right?

The 2nd game, vs the Bears, Orton played and then injured his finger.

Last week, Orton did not play due to injury, correct?
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:33 PM   #94
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Haley wouldn't have started Orton. No way.
I voted that Haley would have won this game and was asked why. Just giving my reason. Haley cut his own throat when he didn't start Orton 2 games ago in my opinion. But I don't know if Orton wasn't ready or it was just an evil ploy by Haley to get himself fired. Too many ifs, ands and buts to know for sure
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:34 PM   #96
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Haley would have started Palko.

Everyone here seems to forget how Haley chose Palko over Orton in Chicago.
And everyone seems to forget that Haley made an official qb change in the first half of that same game.

Why is it so hard to believe that he could have been just very conservative about rushing him not a new offense and rushing him back from a finger injury.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:36 PM   #97
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it would have been a classic Haley blowout
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:36 PM   #98
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it would have been a classic Haley blowout
I agree x 11ty.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:36 PM   #99
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Having a composed QB makes all the difference...
yes, it does.

still doesn't change the fact that the playcalling was better today. We didn't start every possession with a DMC draw play. We mixed up the types of running plays and the types of passing plays.

you combine the better playcalling along with Orton's ability to find his 2nd or 3rd options and boom ... offense looks a ton better.

as soon as Cassel is healthy, he should be cut or traded for a pack of Oreos.
Sign Orton to a short term deal if we can
Draft a QB if we can
develop Stanzi
cut Palko

still want a real OC ... Muir ain't it.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:37 PM   #100
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I voted that Haley would have won this game and was asked why. Just giving my reason. Haley cut his own throat when he didn't start Orton 2 games ago in my opinion. But I don't know if Orton wasn't ready or it was just an evil ploy by Haley to get himself fired. Too many ifs, ands and buts to know for sure
Oh I agree.

I just don't see any objective way to think that Haley wouldn't have started Palko. It's almost like he didn't want to win.

But this whole series of events started 2+ years ago when we traded for Hassle so it's all moot anyway.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:37 PM   #101
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Gotcha. I am amazed people think the play calling was so different.

I saw the same offense just executed better by the QB.

Pope had 2 of the biggest plays in the game, Pope.

That doesn't sound too different except we had a QB who noticed he was open.


How many times did Orton have to wait for the play? flap his arms at the side line? rush up to the line without time to read the defense or make an adustment? call a time out because he got the play too late?
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The team's attitude was completely different today.


They played inspired on BOTH sides of the ball.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:38 PM   #103
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Hell I voted yes but its just too simple to say Crennel is the head coach and we are fine.

I don't buy it. The issues start at the top and Pioli has already started reversing direction to shift blame.

I would love to be wrong about this but Haley wasn't the biggest issue. I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong.
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still doesn't change the fact that the playcalling was better today. We didn't start every possession with a DMC draw play. We mixed up the types of running plays and the types of passing plays.
Dude, the playcalling was the same. Almost exactly.

The difference was Orton finding his 2nd or even 3rd read (Pope and Becht had more big catches than holding penalties) and the offensive line executing for a guy that isn't a complete was of space.
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How many times did Orton have to wait for the play? flap his arms at the side line? rush up to the line without time to read the defense or make an adustment? call a time out because he got the play too late?
NONE

The entire offense was better today

Haley sucked
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