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Titty Meat · 05-31-2012, 04:07 PM

Today I saw something I thought was pretty shitty and shared it with facebook. I saw a visibly pregnant women smoking outside of Arby's with a Co-worker. I called this women a selfish POS and was told by someone how that's ****ed up and I was being judgmental. Was I in the wrong?

Titty Meat · 05-31-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

And those studies don't account for the fact that OTHER FACTORS could be the cause of the defect. Actually quite a few studies do account for this but the media "conclusions" reached are where the disconnect lies.

Let me give you a completely made up but plausible example. Let's say we look at a study that examines 1000 women. 500 of those women smoke, 500 do not. Now we run the numbers and show that the 500 smokers have 5 times the incidence of birth defects. Media conclusion is... "SMOKING causing 5x increase in birth defects!!!! OMG!! OH NOES!!!" Now let's dig deeper. Let's say that the 500 non smokers are also not drinking during pregnancy and have healthy diets and access to top quality health care. Let's also say the 500 smokers have 300 women with awful diets who drank heavily and had zero doctor visits.. oh and a high occurrence of drug use. Now.. is it the smoking that caused the issues? It very well could be but the study certainly doesn't support that conclusion. The only conclusion you can reasonably draw is that SMOKERS have a higher chance of birth defects (possibly due to many other factors) not that SMOKING was the cause.

Dig deep enough and you'll see this happens all the time. It's disgusting that we swallow this bullshit whole all the time.

I'm sorry but I find it plausible that a cig which contains hundreds of chemicals that destroys a humans lungs and heart could also cause damage to a fetus.

**AustinChief** · 05-31-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I'm sorry but I find it plausible that a cig which contains hundreds of chemicals that destroys a humans lungs and heart could also cause damage to a fetus.

That's fine for you to believe something... that doesn't make it scientifically valid. BTW no one is arguing that it isn't healthy. Of course it isn't. I am just saying that it isn't nearly as bad or scary as the media tries to make you believe.

Look at the science and understand the difference between causality and correlation.

**AustinChief** · 05-31-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I'm sorry but I find it plausible that a cig which contains hundreds of chemicals that destroys a humans lungs and heart could also cause damage to a fetus.

And to be clear, I think the women was being selfish and stupid and I have no problem with you pointing it out to her.

In58men · 05-31-2012, 06:58 PM

People who smoke are ****ing gross anyways.

Nasty ass smell walking around when I'm trying to eat and stuff

CrazyHorse · 05-31-2012, 07:01 PM

Yes. You handled it poorly. The way you said it sure isnt going to make her stop. The only value you provided was to use the situation to pad your ego.

Walking by and saying nothing would have been better.

I dont have a problem saying something to her. Just make it less judgement and more value.

Im not trying to be harsh. Just answering the question.

**AustinChief** · 05-31-2012, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

People who smoke are ****ing gross anyways.

Nasty ass smell walking around when I'm trying to eat and stuff

And that is a fine opinion to have. Just don't promote bullshit lies based on false science to try to force your opinion on others.

I think it's gross to have to hear smacking/eating/mouth sounds on tv commercials... but I'm not going to produce some crap study showing that it "hurts" my ears or damages my health in some way.

In58men · 05-31-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

And that is a fine opinion to have. Just don't promote bullshit lies based on false science to try to force your opinion on others.

I think it's gross to have to hear smacking/eating/mouth sounds on tv commercials... but I'm not going to produce some crap study showing that it "hurts" my ears or damages my health in some way.

Horrible comparison holy shit

**AustinChief** · 05-31-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

Horrible comparison holy shit

Why? You are annoyed by something, I am annoyed by something. Be an adult and deal with it.

Let's give a better comparison. People who smoke in public around you annoy you. Crying babies in public annoy me. I could show you a study that shows that people who are most exposed to crying babies have a much higher incidence of sleep loss and exposure to foreign(not their own) fecal matter. Both of which are major health concerns! Therefore the hearing of crying babies must cause those conditions!!!!

So to satisfy my preference to not put up with crying babies, I promote that study and get crying babies banned from public spaces. Fair right?

"Thinking" like this is rampant in America. We are a nation of whiny assholes.

Brock · 05-31-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cephalic Trauma

That's a great excuse for debilitating congenital anomalies associated with smoking. Derp!

What a gross overreaction.

In58men · 05-31-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

Why? You are annoyed by something, I am annoyed by something. Be an adult and deal with it.

Let's give a better comparison. People who smoke in public around you annoy you. Crying babies in public annoy me. I could show you a study that shows that people who are most exposed to crying babies have a much higher incidence of sleep loss and exposure to foreign(not their own) fecal matter. Both of which are major health concerns! Therefore the hearing of crying babies must cause those conditions!!!!

So to satisfy my preference to not put up with crying babies, I promote that study and get crying babies banned from public spaces. Fair right?

"Thinking" like this is rampant in America. We are a nation of whiny assholes.

You can take a crying baby away from a space that may cause disruption to others, but you can't take away the nasty smell of inconsiderate smokers. Let's go smoke a few cigs and go inside a restaurant. Yeah that's cool, stay your nasty ass outside or always pack some AXE or cologne lol.

You like to smell cigarette smoke while you eat then good for you. I'd ask to be seated somewhere else.

WilliamTheIrish · 05-31-2012, 07:41 PM

Brock makes a perfectly good argument. Having a pregnant woman ingesting a terrible diet during pregnancy is every bit as damaging as smoking. There are hundreds of factors that contribute.

Smoking isn't a good thing to do during pregnancy obviously. But there are a lot of other factors to consider.

And I don't care that you yelled at her.

**AustinChief** · 05-31-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

You can take a crying baby away from a space that may cause disruption to others, but you can't take away the nasty smell of inconsiderate smokers. Let's go smoke a few cigs and go inside a restaurant. Yeah that's cool, stay your nasty ass outside or always pack some AXE or cologne lol.

You like to smell cigarette smoke while you eat then good for you. I'd ask to be seated somewhere else.

Again. No problem with you not liking something. Let's replace crying babies with someone with awful body odor. If your reaction is the same as mine... ask to be moved or go elsewhere... no problem. If instead I go out and try to make it illegal to not use deodorant..or quote some bullshit study to make it seem like it isn't just me being annoyed but instead I'm being "harmed"... then I'm an asshole.

Now you see where I take issue.

Fish · 05-31-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Inmem58

You can take a crying baby away from a space that may cause disruption to others, but you can't take away the nasty smell of inconsiderate smokers. Let's go smoke a few cigs and go inside a restaurant. Yeah that's cool, stay your nasty ass outside or always pack some AXE or cologne lol.

You like to smell cigarette smoke while you eat then good for you. I'd ask to be seated somewhere else.

... yeah.. that makes sense...

One scent bothers my delicate sensibilities, so I demand that you apply another scent that may or may not offend someone else.

You like to smell shitty cologne while you eat then good for you. I'd ask to be seated somewhere else.

Cephalic Trauma · 05-31-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

No, you're right, one article isn't enough but years of looking at studies is. I can produce a ton more if you want to get in to it.

The amount of hype is ridiculous. That doesn't make it healthy.. it just isn't the bugaboo that the media paints the picture of.

So the cdc is caught up in this media bugaboo? I'm sorry, but I'm going to side with the surgeon general on this one.

Cephalic Trauma · 05-31-2012, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

That's fine for you to believe something... that doesn't make it scientifically valid. BTW no one is arguing that it isn't healthy. Of course it isn't. I am just saying that it isn't nearly as bad or scary as the media tries to make you believe.

Look at the science and understand the difference between causality and correlation.

I'm all for questioning shoddy science, but you do realize that your "source" is not scientific, correct? It was published by the London school of economics and political science.

05-31-2012, 04:07 PM
Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $2007558	Is this being too judgmental? Today I saw something I thought was pretty shitty and shared it with facebook. I saw a visibly pregnant women smoking outside of Arby's with a Co-worker. I called this women a selfish POS and was told by someone how that's ****ed up and I was being judgmental. Was I in the wrong?
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05-31-2012, 06:58 PM	#94
In58men Baba Ganoush Join Date: Jan 2012 Casino cash: $2018026	People who smoke are ****ing gross anyways. Nasty ass smell walking around when I'm trying to eat and stuff
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05-31-2012, 07:01 PM	#95
CrazyHorse All Motor! Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Yes. You handled it poorly. The way you said it sure isnt going to make her stop. The only value you provided was to use the situation to pad your ego. Walking by and saying nothing would have been better. I dont have a problem saying something to her. Just make it less judgement and more value. Im not trying to be harsh. Just answering the question.
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05-31-2012, 07:41 PM	#101
WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $5810607	Brock makes a perfectly good argument. Having a pregnant woman ingesting a terrible diet during pregnancy is every bit as damaging as smoking. There are hundreds of factors that contribute. Smoking isn't a good thing to do during pregnancy obviously. But there are a lot of other factors to consider. And I don't care that you yelled at her.
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