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Old 06-08-2012, 03:39 AM  
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Daboll: Matt Cassel is a winner
Holy shit. The propganda machine is churning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-new-chiefs-oc

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Matt Cassel has had an up-and-down three-season run with the Kansas City Chiefs, but new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll believes he inherited a winner at the quarterback position.

Cassel led the New England Patriots to an 11-5 record after Tom Brady wrecked his knee in Week 1 of the 2008 season. He later piloted the Chiefs to a 10-6 mark and an AFC West title in 2010. Cassel has never won a playoff game -- in fact, he played terribly against the Ravens in his only postseason start -- but Daboll sees a player who knows how to lead his team.


"He's been a winner," Daboll told reporters Thursday, according to ESPN.com. "He's had two 10-plus win seasons. I did a study just this offseason about 10-plus-win quarterbacks, which is what you're defined by, obviously. There's been nine of them in the last four years that have had two or more 10-plus win seasons in the regular season, and Matt is one of them.

"The other ones being Brady, (Drew) Brees, (Aaron) Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli (Manning), (Joe) Flacco, (Matt) Ryan, so he's been a winner. He works his tail off in the classroom. I think he's done a good job in these OTAs, and I'm looking forward to working with him."

Daboll finds a creative way to lump Cassel in with a group of the game's best quarterbacks, but he does leave out the big picture. Despite those 10-plus win seasons, Cassel is a pedestrian 28-26 in games he's started overall.

If you really are defined by your record, this seems about right.
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:18 PM   #91
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it's a typo, Daboll meant to say Matt Cassel's a wiener.
My guess as well.
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My father used to remind me "if you don't have something intelligent to add, shut up". To bad he wasn't your father too.
Glad he wasn't.
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:22 PM   #93
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My thinking is......

Is Cassel's confidence so fragile, that the chiefs PR machine has to continuously kick out these nonsense statements.....so he doesnt get his feelings hurt?

Cause he's gotta be the only guy left on the planet who still believes the propoganda.
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:33 PM   #94
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That play made me sicker than just about any play evar!!! How the **** does that happen?
3rd down, backed up in the opponent's end zone, QB throws from 5 yards back in the paint and completes on the 30yl to a wide open Randy Moss, who outran the coverage.

Answer; No pass rush.
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:40 PM   #95
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Well, apparently Scott Pioli isn't very discouraged at all. And WR taking plays off isn't exactly un common, im sure most of them do.

The NFL doesn't show WR's running routes because, well.....most fans don't give a shit. The Cameras follow the ball. It has very little to do with "WR action"

Bowe's # speak for themselves. He's been a very productive WR, so apparently whatever he IS doing works.
He makes a lot of stats during garbage time. I point this out to you because you don't know it.

What is the point of "routes"? Why do WR's run routes? The answer is most often to get open.

Dwayne Bowe is almost never "open". He most often has a guy on him and catches the ball in spite of cover.

Dwayne Bowe is a poor route runner.

Duh.
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:47 PM   #96
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He makes a lot of stats during garbage time. I point this out to you because you don't know it.

What is the point of "routes"? Why do WR's run routes? The answer is most often to get open.

Dwayne Bowe is almost never "open". He most often has a guy on him and catches the ball in spite of cover.

Dwayne Bowe is a poor route runner.

Duh.
During Garbage time? Are you kidding me?????

WTF???



You believe that the #1 WR on this team, who has put 1,000 yard seasons in 4/5 seasons gets his stats in garbage time? Wow.......

And do tell, WR expert, why is it that Dwayne Bowe has guys draped all over him? Could it possibly be, oh, i dont know....that he's the top Target on the team?

Maybe...just Maybe....teams roll coverage towards Dwyane Bowe, considering he's been our only reliable WR over the past 5 years?

The man has produced year after year, with shitstain QB's like Huard, Thigpen, Cassel and Palko.....yet you believe he doesn't know how to run routes.....

JFC...
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:53 PM   #97
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What is the point of "routes"? Why do WR's run routes? The answer is most often to get open.
I look forward to your next nugget of wisdom....
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Old 06-08-2012, 01:55 PM   #98
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Do your homework -- Watch Matt Cassel, Patriots QB and then try to convince yourself. It won't happen.
I have done my homework. I've watched him for the past three years. His first year, he overachieved.

The same thing happened in 2006, the year Damon Huard got the start when Green went down. He played well. Quite well, actually (11 TDs, 1 INT). Everyone thought he was going to be good. In reality, Huard overachieved, as did the players around him. The next year, he sank back to what he really was.
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During Garbage time? Are you kidding me?????

WTF???



You believe that the #1 WR on this team, who has put 1,000 yard seasons in 4/5 seasons gets his stats in garbage time? Wow.......

And do tell, WR expert, why is it that Dwayne Bowe has guys draped all over him? Could it possibly be, oh, i dont know....that's he's the top Target on the team?

Maybe...just Maybe....teams roll coverage towards Dwyane Bowe, considering he's been our only reliable WR over the past 5 years?

The man has produced year after year, with shitstain QB's like Huard, Thigpen, Cassel and Palko.....yet you believe he doesn't know how to run routes.....

JFC...
Dude it's easy to get 1000 yards every year against NFL defenses even if you don't run correct routes and your qbs throw worse than Steven Hawking....
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He makes a lot of stats during garbage time. I point this out to you because you don't know it.

What is the point of "routes"? Why do WR's run routes? The answer is most often to get open.

Dwayne Bowe is almost never "open". He most often has a guy on him and catches the ball in spite of cover.

Dwayne Bowe is a poor route runner.

Duh.
Dude... you're embarrassing yourself.....
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I never said Matt Cassel is an accurate passer, just that his accuracy also depends on whether he is throwing to Randy Moss, Wes Welker etc compared to Dwayne Bowe. It is a very noticable difference in accuracy and completion rates.
Wrong again.

8 of 38 on 20+ yard passes with the Pats
10 of 45 on 20+ yards in 2010.

That's 21% with the Pats and 22% with KC.
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Well, once again, I am reminded I am discussing football with Chiefs fans. Carry on
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So, a few months ago, Pioli was pushing the "open competition at quarterback" idea. Now you can see how it's slowly turning into Cassel being the starter no matter what (something many here predicted anyway), with Quinn and Stanzi battling for the second spot.

****ing shit. I bet if we had signed Manning, we'd have put him at second string.
I have never read where Pioli said the QB position would be "open competition". I have read where he said he wanted some competition at the position. There is a huge difference.

Where has he ever said there would be an "open competition"? Please provide the link, I have read that 100 times now but I have never seen where this was stated by Pioli.

I can't really stand Pioli but I can't stand things being quoted as fact that simply aren't accurate either. This "open competition" statement appears to be another CP urban legend unless I have totally missed something.
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Well, once again, I am reminded I am discussing football with Chiefs fans. Carry on
You realize he'd literally have to have the best hands in football for him to have all these 1000 yard seasons without him getting open?
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