Chiefs Lesson Learned: Clark is Right to Land HC First - Page 7

Hoover · 01-01-2013, 10:41 AM

I think it’s very wise of Clark Hunt to put a priority the selection of the next head coach and not the general manager. Hunt put a priority on selecting the GM in 2009 and he landed his man, but by the time Pioli was in place all of the top coaching candidates were gone forcing the Chiefs to reach on Todd Haley. When you miss out on the top head coaching talent, it impacts the quality of the entire coaching staff.

The Chiefs have talent, but without the right coach to focus that talent and lead the team, one doesn’t get the most out of the investment in a high profile GM. While many here believe the presence of Pioli deters high profile free agents, I would say the lack of a legitimate coach with substantial control is what drives them to other teams instead of the chiefs. Would you rather play for a coach who makes the decisions for the team, or a coach who get’s vetoed by an all-powerful GM?

I think teams like the Chargers who are going to focus on the GM search before looking at head coach replacements run the risk of missing out on the best coaches. A GM first strategy also adds an unneeded variable to the coach selection. Say we went out and grabbed a Ross or a dude from GB or SF. I’d be happy, but who are they going to get for a HC? Likely a coordinator they have ties to, which means a repeat of the Haley fiasco.

I love the fact that Clark is going to get his coach and then sort out the GM stuff. I’ve become a big advocate of Reid and Heckert. Herkert has a long time scouting background and Reid is a QB friendly, franchise type coach we have not had since Marty.

Clark is on the right track. Now get it done Mr. Hunt.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

Pioli was given a mandate by Hunt to consider the job status of Herm Edwards.

No, he wasn't - and as DeezNutz pointed out, this was implied yesterday in Clark's comments.

**SAUTO** · 01-01-2013, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I agree, just wondering why Clark wasn't working on this months ago. this should have been wrapped up by the end of the season, IMO.

How do you know how long they have been working on it?
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Well, the team is currently being sued by former employees that allege Pioli fired them due to their age...

So what's going to change with that in the next 2 weeks?

That's not a legal issue that's going away period, certainly not anytime soon - are we going to wait to hire someone until that gets wrapped up?

htismaqe · 01-01-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So what's going to change with that in the next 2 weeks?

That's not a legal issue that's going away period, certainly not anytime soon - are we going to wait to hire someone until that gets wrapped up?

I have no idea. I just threw that out there because I think the situation is a lot more complicated than we think.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I have no idea. I just threw that out there because I think the situation is a lot more complicated than we think.

I'm sure it is.

All the more reason why I'm concerned.

Our best hope at this point is that Clark already has a deal with someone.

Marcellus · 01-01-2013, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

So what's going to change with that in the next 2 weeks?

That's not a legal issue that's going away period, certainly not anytime soon - are we going to wait to hire someone until that gets wrapped up?

My guess would be legal language in the buy out regarding the law suit. I am not an attorney but I know this, we have several employees listed as witnesses in a law suit ( a ridiculous one) and we just had one lose their job over a UA issue. There is concern their statement will change now that they are no longer employed by the company and may want to try to screw us out of spite.

Personally I dont think there is much risk, other disagree.

Once again tin foil hat shit but who knows.

DaWolf · 01-01-2013, 01:41 PM

The more I think about it, the more I feel that Pioli is a contingency plan now for Hunt. He's going to try and land a big fish, but there is a strong likelihood that one of those guys won't bite. If that is the case, he has to move to plan B, which means hiring a lesser known guy who won't have the juice to run his own show, and therefore keep Pioli around. Plan B would still mean Hunt hiring a guy he is comfortable with rather than one that Pioli recommends, but it probably also means that it would have to be someone who could mesh with Pioli. Plan B also would suck...

**SAUTO** · 01-01-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm sure it is.

All the more reason why I'm concerned.

Our best hope at this point is that Clark already has a deal with someone.

why?

Just because Pioli is still employed he is obviously at this point not making decisions, hell he isn't even allowed to talk.

I'm sure that whatever coach or GM candidates Clark interviews over the course of this will be told exactly what is going on behind closed doors and let know exactly what the situation going forward is going to be.

It's just that he's not telling us everything
And that's ok at this point with me...
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

why?

Just because Pioli is still employed he is obviously at this point not making decisions, hell he isn't even allowed to talk.

I'm sure that whatever coach or GM candidates Clark interviews over the course of this will be told exactly what is going on behind closed doors and let know exactly what the situation going forward is going to be.

It's just that he's not telling us everything
And that's ok at this point with me...
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Pioli making decisions isn't my point.

Read post 22.

**SAUTO** · 01-01-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Pioli making decisions isn't my point.

Read post 22.

I've read it. I don't think that Pioli receiving paychecks is going to stop Clark from hiring a coach or a GM to be our GM. There is something else that has kept him employed by the chiefs and it's not his football acumen.

It has to be about the lawsuits.

The new GM and coach will be told exactly what is going on I would think.

AT THIS POINT I think you are being a little chicken little ish.

we will have to see how out plays out
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**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

I've read it. I don't think that Pioli receiving paychecks is going to stop Clark from hiring a coach or a GM to be our GM. There is something else that has kept him employed by the chiefs and it's not his football acumen.

It has to be about the lawsuits.

The new GM and coach will be told exactly what is going on I would think.

AT THIS POINT I think you are being a little chicken little ish.

we will have to see how out plays out
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Who said anything about it STOPPING Clark?

I'm saying he's limiting his options.

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1.) Clark is forced to limit his HC search to guys who are capable of having control of personnel decisions.

This is a pretty small list to begin with, and you're already hearing rumblings from guys like Gruden, Cowher and Billick that they aren't interested in coming back. That pretty much leaves Andy Reid and Chip Kelly, who other teams are already fighting over, while we're wasting time with Dirk Koetter and a Rooney Rule candidate.

2.) Hiring a HC and not finding a quality GM.

For sake of conversation, lets say Clark hires Dirk Koetter. Who is the new GM? Guys like Ross, Gamble and Dorsey will either be long gone, or aren't going to be interested in a position in which they have no control over who the HC is. GM's expect to be able to hire a HC.

3.) **** me, but when Reid goes to Arizona or San Diego, and Kelly goes to Cleveland, and there's nothing left that satisfies the first option, and option two comes to fruition and Clark can't find a GM - what happens then?

We all know what happens then.

**SAUTO** · 01-01-2013, 02:03 PM

I'm saying it's not going to stop him from hiring a GM even if Pioli is still here.

IMO, and I could be totally wrong, Pioli is no longer actually the GM. He is employed by the organization probably due to the lawsuits he caused
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TEX · 01-01-2013, 02:15 PM

I disagree. Hunt is wrong with his strategy. Why would any good head coach want to be part of this soap opera in Kansas City? He neexs to fire Pioli Yesterday and move on!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-01-2013, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

I disagree. Hunt is wrong with his strategy. Why would any good head coach want to be part of this soap opera in Kansas City? He neexs to fire Pioli Yesterday and move on!

I wouldn't say he's wrong, he's just limiting his options.

Let's say he hires Dirk Koetter.

Who becomes GM?

Who the **** is going to come to KC with no power and his job security in the hands of Dirk ****ing Koetter?

Answer: No one.

Clark is severely limiting his options at both GM and HC by doing things this way.

Think about how many available guys in this league are qualified to be NFL GM's at this point - maybe 10, and that's counting the guys that have been fired.

Now - how many are qualified to be HC's?

There are 10 HC's that were just fired, plus the OC's/DC's from those staffs, plus college coaches. The talent pool is near 100.

But sure, let's ignore the pool that only has a handful or two of qualified candidates.

Which is why common sense says we're probably looking at a Cowher-type that wants full control.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-01-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

I disagree. Hunt is wrong with his strategy. Why would any good head coach want to be part of this soap opera in Kansas City? He neexs to fire Pioli Yesterday and move on!

If hunt is being sincere. There is no drama. The coach decides piolis role, period. If you're a veteran head coach like cowher, kc its a great situation. I think most coaches are smart enough to know that the soap opera won't exist unless they request it to continue.

01-01-2013, 10:41 AM
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $1308179	Lesson Learned: Clark is Right to Land HC First I think it’s very wise of Clark Hunt to put a priority the selection of the next head coach and not the general manager. Hunt put a priority on selecting the GM in 2009 and he landed his man, but by the time Pioli was in place all of the top coaching candidates were gone forcing the Chiefs to reach on Todd Haley. When you miss out on the top head coaching talent, it impacts the quality of the entire coaching staff. The Chiefs have talent, but without the right coach to focus that talent and lead the team, one doesn’t get the most out of the investment in a high profile GM. While many here believe the presence of Pioli deters high profile free agents, I would say the lack of a legitimate coach with substantial control is what drives them to other teams instead of the chiefs. Would you rather play for a coach who makes the decisions for the team, or a coach who get’s vetoed by an all-powerful GM? I think teams like the Chargers who are going to focus on the GM search before looking at head coach replacements run the risk of missing out on the best coaches. A GM first strategy also adds an unneeded variable to the coach selection. Say we went out and grabbed a Ross or a dude from GB or SF. I’d be happy, but who are they going to get for a HC? Likely a coordinator they have ties to, which means a repeat of the Haley fiasco. I love the fact that Clark is going to get his coach and then sort out the GM stuff. I’ve become a big advocate of Reid and Heckert. Herkert has a long time scouting background and Reid is a QB friendly, franchise type coach we have not had since Marty. Clark is on the right track. Now get it done Mr. Hunt.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	The more I think about it, the more I feel that Pioli is a contingency plan now for Hunt. He's going to try and land a big fish, but there is a strong likelihood that one of those guys won't bite. If that is the case, he has to move to plan B, which means hiring a lesser known guy who won't have the juice to run his own show, and therefore keep Pioli around. Plan B would still mean Hunt hiring a guy he is comfortable with rather than one that Pioli recommends, but it probably also means that it would have to be someone who could mesh with Pioli. Plan B also would suck...
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SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	I'm saying it's not going to stop him from hiring a GM even if Pioli is still here. IMO, and I could be totally wrong, Pioli is no longer actually the GM. He is employed by the organization probably due to the lawsuits he caused Posted via Mobile Device
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TEX Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Casino cash: $1993127	I disagree. Hunt is wrong with his strategy. Why would any good head coach want to be part of this soap opera in Kansas City? He neexs to fire Pioli Yesterday and move on! __________________ "The CHIEFS, HAVE THEIR DYNASTY!"
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