Here's something I didn't expect: remember Colin Brown?

[Direckshun]

Hilariously terrible 5th round selection by Scott ***** in the famed horrific 2009 draft class?

Something like the 57th rated tackle that year?

He just got a two-year extension with the Buffalo Bills, who play him at guard but really like him at center:

Best fit as a center (he can also play guard and even tackle), Brown was placed on the injured reserve back in October with hamstring injury, as it seemed like every Bills offensive lineman was going down with some sort of an ailment. Brown looked solid in the lone game he played this season, as he was thrust into the starting line-up at right guard in the blowout loss against the San Francisco 49ers. Brown, who filled in for Kraig Urbik (out with a high-ankle sprain), made a strong impact during his time in the game as both a run blocker and pass protector.

Generally well-liked by the fans, Colin Brown was expected to get roughly $1.3 million in restricted free agency on a one-year tender, and instead he will be getting a little bit over $1.4 million for two seasons. Still, Brown’s spot on the Buffalo Bills 2013 53-man roster is far from guaranteed, but he should be able to make it through training camp and the preseason with a spot on the roster. Brown, again, showed some promise against the 49ers and has the kind of versatility that makes him a valuable backup offensive lineman in the NFL.

The NFL, man. You never know.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Direckshun--

Rate the Arizona Cardinals 2009 Draft.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Ah, yes. Nothing brings out Hamas' never-before-mentioned love for previous TE debacles like his ever-more-intense hatred of *****.

Again, it's cool. I get it. ***** ruined the past four years because he hitched his wagons to a QB disaster. And he deserved to be fired. I'm on board.

But allowing that existential frustration to drive you to pretend like he was the Shit version of Midas is simply incorrect.

It's probably pretty satisfying, though.

Name a worse TE than Jake O'Connell.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Go to Hell

Jon Asamoah isn't a great player but he was a good pick and a fine starter. Many here share that opinion.

I've got news for you: Asamoah is essentially the OL version of Tyson Jackson.

But Jackson was taken 3rd overall instead of a QB, so he gets the hate.

Asamoah was taken in the 3rd round, so he gets tolerance.

Again, I'd understand if your frustration was that Jackson never turned into an All Pro.

But his failure to become an All Pro automatically earns him the distinction of garbage.

Shrug.

[mcaj22]

yea because he was picked 3rd overall. You are picked in the first round you better ****ing start doing some sort of impact play sooner than later or you can consider your career a bust.

I'm looking at you too, Jon Turdwin

[JohnnyHammersticks]

But you can't allude to Kendrick Lewis and say that because he starts for us, that he's a starting-caliber NFL safety. I believe that he was one of the worst--if not the worst--rated safety in the league by PFF or someone last year. Lewis wouldn't have seen playing time for 95% of teams in the league--let alone be starting. He can't tackle and he's certainly not a ball-hawk. Those are pretty much the two main criteria when discussing safety play.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I've got news for you: Asamoah is essentially the OL version of Tyson Jackson.

But Jackson was taken 3rd overall instead of a QB, so he gets the hate.

Asamoah was taken in the 3rd round, so he gets tolerance.

Again, I'd understand if your frustration was that Jackson never turned into an All Pro.

But his failure to become an All Pro automatically earns him the distinction of garbage.

Shrug.

You do realize that part of drafting is identifying and extracting value, right?

That's one of the reasons why the 2009 draft was so terrible. Drafting slap dicks like Tyson Jackson #3 overall when he played like a third rounder is precisely why it was a terrible draft.

**** it, you're obviously trolling, because you aren't this goddamned stupid.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks

But you can't allude to Kendrick Lewis and say that because he starts for us, that he's a starting-caliber NFL safety. I believe that he was one of the worst--if not the worst--rated safety in the league by PFF or someone last year. Lewis wouldn't have seen playing time for 95% of teams in the league--let alone be starting. He can't tackle and he's certainly not a ball-hawk. Those are pretty much the two main criteria when discussing safety play.

that's because

A) Scooter was bad at acquiring players
B) Scooter was bad at filling the team with depth
C) Scooter wanted to constantly play his own draft picks in hopes some of them would hit and he could look like a genius rather than the "GM that was carried by the draft picks of 2008 that were not picks of his"

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The Eric Berry Pro Bowl argument is almost as absurd as the Roy Williams Pro Bowl argument at this point.

Berry has been a significant disappointment to this stage in his career and people give him the benefit of the doubt because of his knee injury and personality.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Direckshun--

Rate the Arizona Cardinals 2009 Draft.

Ummmmmmmmmm....

1.31: RB Chris Wells, Ohio State
2.63: OLB Cody Brown, UConn
3.95: S Rashad Johnson, Alabama
4.131: CB Gregory Toler, St. Pauls College
5.167: OG Herman Johnson, LSU
6.204: OLB Will Davis, Illinois
7.240: RB LaRod Stephens-Howling, Pittsburgh
7b.254: OG Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati

I don't know much about many of these players, to be honest.

I could look them up individually but I lack the motivation.

I am interested in your point, however.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Name a worse TE than Jake O'Connell.

You named both of them, and decided they were both much better for reasons that pass understanding.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I've got news for you: Asamoah is essentially the OL version of Tyson Jackson.

Bullshit.

Asamoah is a good player. He's good at things.

Tyson Jackson is a worthless space eater who doesn't make plays.

But his failure to become an All Pro automatically earns him the distinction of garbage.

Explain how this is not utter ****ing garbage?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Ummmmmmmmmm....

1.31: RB Chris Wells, Ohio State
2.63: OLB Cody Brown, UConn
3.95: S Rashad Johnson, Alabama
4.131: CB Gregory Toler, St. Pauls College
5.167: OG Herman Johnson, LSU
6.204: OLB Will Davis, Illinois
7.240: RB LaRod Stephens-Howling, Pittsburgh
7b.254: OG Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati

I don't know much about many of these players, to be honest.

I could look them up individually but I lack the motivation.

I am interested in your point, however.



You named both of them, and decided they were both much better for reasons that pass understanding.

1) Was a bad draft that was far better than the Chiefs'

2) Blocking, pass catching, and not committing penalties don't pass understanding.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You do realize that part of drafting is identifying and extracting value, right?

That's one of the reasons why the 2009 draft was so terrible. Drafting slap dicks like Tyson Jackson #3 overall when he played like a third rounder is precisely why it was a terrible draft.

**** it, you're obviously trolling, because you aren't this goddamned stupid.

You'd be surprised. I'm pretty stupid.

Again, I'm not arguing that Jackson is/was good value. I'm arguing that he is a good starter.

Two different arguments.

Meanwhile, you are arguing that because he wasn't good value, he is a bad player.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Eric Berry Pro Bowl argument is almost as absurd as the Roy Williams Pro Bowl argument at this point.

Berry has been a significant disappointment to this stage in his career and people give him the benefit of the doubt because of his knee injury and personality.

Eric Berry is a starting caliber player in the NFL.

Tyson Jackson is not.

That's what Direckshun apparently doesn't understand.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

2) Blocking, pass catching, and not committing penalties don't pass understanding.

Pretty easy to not commit penalties when you're never on the field.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm arguing that he is a good starter.

3 of his 4 seasons in the league have been spent being utterly worthless.

He's just a warm body.