NFL's salary cap now projected to be about $130 million

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Source: Cap will be $133 million per team http://t.co/u2GSiIHKAc

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[milkman]

Originally Posted by -King-

Why do you keep on saying this when its not true?
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That's what zilla does.

He sells bullshit.

[O.city]

In Tambas case, for all he's done for the Chiefs I wouldn't be upset if they made him a Chief for life. Rewarding kinda thing.

It's not something you can do very often but in this case I think you could

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

That's what zilla does.

He sells bullshit.

That's what milkman does. When you don't have an answer, just attack the poster

You can't restructure his current contract because it just means you're on the hook for $14M in 2014 and you make him even more expensive to cut [EDIT: $14M in 2015]

If you offer him a contract extension, you are essentially giving him a contract based on his value today which is a pro bowl outside linebacker. In 2 years, you will negotiate his contract as a 32-33 year old who, who knows, may not be worth much of anything by that point. Who even said he's even worth keeping past 2015?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

In Tambas case, for all he's done for the Chiefs I wouldn't be upset if they made him a Chief for life. Rewarding kinda thing.

It's not something you can do very often but in this case I think you could

It depends on how much you're going to pay to let that happen. If he's 33 and is a backup pass rusher at best, I don't want to sink a starting contract on the guy.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's what milkman does. When you don't have an answer, just attack the poster

You can't restructure his current contract because it just means you're on the hook for $14M in 2014 and you make him even more expensive to cut

If you offer him a contract extension, you are essentially giving him a contract based on his value today which is a pro bowl outside linebacker. In 2 years, you will negotiate his contract as a 32-33 year old who, who knows, may not be worth much of anything by that point. Who even said he's even worth keeping past 2015?

What you do, bullshitter, is turn the money from the last years of his current contract into up front money with a signing bonus that can be spread over the life of the extension, which allows you some flexibility to cut him in a couple of years when, theoretically, his play begins to decline.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's what milkman does. When you don't have an answer, just attack the poster

You can't restructure his current contract because it just means you're on the hook for $14M in 2014 and you make him even more expensive to cut [EDIT: $14M in 2015]

If you offer him a contract extension, you are essentially giving him a contract based on his value today which is a pro bowl outside linebacker. In 2 years, you will negotiate his contract as a 32-33 year old who, who knows, may not be worth much of anything by that point. Who even said he's even worth keeping past 2015?

Or you can, you know, just turn his base salary into a signing bonus instead of giving him an extension...
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

What you do, bullshitter, is turn the money from the last years of his current contract into up front money with a signing bonus that can be spread over the life of the extension, which allows you some flexibility to cut him in a couple of years when, theoretically, his play begins to decline.

Hali and his agent are not stupid.

If Hali negotiates today, he has complete leverage. They know Hali is pretty much guaranteed $8.25M this year. They know he's uncuttable. And if they negotiate a contract extension, they will have three motives: 1) maximize his signing bonus, which is critical for the twilight years; 2) make sure the signing bonus fully accounts for the $8.25M that are guaranteed anyway, so it's basically like negotiating in $8.25M PLUS a totally new contract for 2015 to 2018 (or whatever end year); 3) since Hali is coming off a pro bowl year and shown no clear signs of decline, they will negotiate his twilight years with that in mind. The Chiefs will likely end up with a contract that has a much higher signing bonus than they want which, despite what you write, means the Chiefs will NOT have good flexibility to cut him in the later years of the contract.

In 2015, the Chiefs have complete leverage because Hali is an easy target to be cut. And you can negotiate a new contract without the baggage of guaranteed money on the existing contract.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

Or you can, you know, just turn his base salary into a signing bonus instead of giving him an extension...
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Why would you do that? It means you're on the hook for $14M in 2015 and you've now pretty much made that money guaranteed. If we let it ride, we pay $11M today but have flexibility to cut him in 2015 or leverage to renegotiate a much more reasonable extension.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Why would you do that? It means you're on the hook for $14M in 2015 and you've now pretty much made that money guaranteed. If we let it ride, we pay $11M today but have flexibility to cut him in 2015 or leverage to renegotiate a much more reasonable extension.

Why?
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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by -King-

Why?
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If you let his contract ride, he only costs $2.5M in dead money to cut in 2015.

If you turn today's base salary ($6M plus $2M roster bonus) into bonus money, he will cost $6.5M to cut in 2015. You've pretty much guaranteed a bigger 2015 contract.

The only way a restructure makes sense is if you extend the contract. Unless you restructure twice in 2 years, but I don't know if that's ever actually been done.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Hali and his agent are not stupid.

If Hali negotiates today, he has complete leverage. They know Hali is pretty much guaranteed $8.25M this year. They know he's uncuttable. And if they negotiate a contract extension, they will have three motives: 1) maximize his signing bonus, which is critical for the twilight years; 2) make sure the signing bonus fully accounts for the $8.25M that are guaranteed anyway, so it's basically like negotiating in $8.25M PLUS a totally new contract for 2015 to 2018 (or whatever end year); 3) since Hali is coming off a pro bowl year and shown no clear signs of decline, they will negotiate his twilight years with that in mind. The Chiefs will likely end up with a contract that has a much higher signing bonus than they want which, despite what you write, means the Chiefs will NOT have good flexibility to cut him in the later years of the contract.

In 2015, the Chiefs have complete leverage because Hali is an easy target to be cut. And you can negotiate a new contract without the baggage of guaranteed money on the existing contract.

Not true at all. Hali Base Salary is 6.25m he's due a Roster Bonus of 2m not sure when that kick's in. If the Chiefs cut him they save 5.5m vs the cap. Hali doesn't have complete leverage.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Not true at all. Hali Base Salary is 6.25m he's due a Roster Bonus of 2m not sure when that kick's in. If the Chiefs cut him they save 5.5m vs the cap. Hali doesn't have complete leverage.

Unless you think the Chiefs will actually cut Hali, his base salary for this year is pretty much guaranteed, which make his roster bonus pretty much guaranteed. $5.5M is a LOT of dead money for a player as good as Hali still is.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Unless you think the Chiefs will actually cut Hali, his base salary for this year is pretty much guaranteed, which make his roster bonus pretty much guaranteed. $5.5M is a LOT of dead money for a player as good as Hali still is.

Don't get me wrong i'm with you. Let Hali play this year out cut him next year. Cut him in 2015 and with the 9m you save give it to Houston.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Don't get me wrong i'm with you. Let Hali play this year out cut him next year. Cut him in 2015 and with the 9m you save give it to Houston.

Well, I'm open to an extension. But I'd prefer for that extension to be built for a 33 year old probably well past his prime at that point.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Well, I'm open to an extension. But I'd prefer for that extension to be built for a 33 year old probably well past his prime at that point.

You're the only one talking about ah extension.
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