Chiefs First Units Impressions - Page 7

OldSchool · 08-17-2014, 08:23 PM

Things that I noticed off the bat:

Offense:

Alex Smith - Looked good except for a couple of misfires. He was hit way too much in this game.

Eric Fisher - Looks alright but he had a couple of glaringly bad moments, both against Hardy. Completely whiffed on a pass play and run play. He played better than I expected but not as well as you would hope.

Run plays - We were successful almost exclusively on runs to the left of our formation but anything going to the right was almost always stuffed right away.

Interior OL - It's about as bad as I thought it would be. Star had his way with Jeff Allen way too often. Fulton is a terrible blocker in the screen game.

TE Fasano - I think he is best described as slow but steady. I hope Kelce replaces him in the starting role sooner rather than later.

Bowe - Looks like he did in the later part of the season and into the playoffs. He'll be fine as long as he stays healthy.

DAT - Fast as hell with great vision and showed fantastic awareness and burst on his carry.

Knile Davis - For some reason, he looks slower to me this year. I thought he was Gray on a couple of plays. He had one bad play in pass pro but was ok otherwise.

Play calling - Way too predictable but that's the pre-season for you. Expect them to open it up a little more in week 3 for the dress-up and then shut it down for week 4 before the regular season.

Defense:

Houston - He looks sluggish out there and really ineffective. This is the guy that everyone wants to extend for $60+ mil a year? Could just be him being out of shape from his holdout but we'll see if he can turn it on for the season.

Hali - Same as always. Steady and high motor player who shows no quit. Looks much better than Houston.

DBs - Can we please switch to Seattle's cover scheme? We lack the dominant, or at least technically sound corners, that can run the man coverage scheme effectively. Cooper is our best CB and he's still a bit too raw to be trusted on an island. Smith just doesn't really have the foot speed to be effective in man coverage, especially with the new rules today.

Joe Mays - He's an upgrade over Jordan so far, at least as a blitzer and in the run game.

DL - Poe looks solid and was held on an awful lot of plays. We still gave up the short TD runs far too easily though.

What did you guys notice out of the first unit out there?

**RealSNR** · 08-18-2014, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

So you think Houston actually looked good out there and the interior of our OL isn't a major issue?

And that kind of logic is why the Chiefs are currently paying $20 million in guaranteed money to a goddamn punter.

**Buehler445** · 08-18-2014, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I don't recall any significant defensive adjustments or rotations for Bowe.

From what i've seen from the defenses, they don't give 2 shits about our receivers.

They aren't worry about any of them.

The **** they don't. Almost everyone rolls the safety to that side and bumps Avery.

SeeingRed · 08-18-2014, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Putting all the garbage hyperbole stuff aside, I think we can all agree that Alex Smith can only play at his best if he's getting good protection.

They couldn't have put him in a worse situation, IMO.

Agreed

jspchief · 08-18-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I don't recall any significant defensive adjustments or rotations for Bowe.

From what i've seen from the defenses, they don't give 2 shits about our receivers.

They aren't worry about any of them.

Doesn't help that our qb rarely stretches the field.

**ChiefGator** · 08-18-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Oh, I posted about it in the chat earlier but I feel like Knile pokes around too often in traffic. I'd like to see him choose a lane and hit it hard and fast.

Of course, sometimes he's showing good patience, but more often than not I'd rather see him just lower his head and build up some steam.

Absolutely what I commented on several times during the game. A little too shifty and not enough just go in him.

milkman · 08-18-2014, 06:05 PM

Don't know if this means anything, but it should be noted that Marcus Cooper has been virtually invisible.

kccrow · 08-18-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Putting all the garbage hyperbole stuff aside, I think we can all agree that Alex Smith can only play at his best if he's getting good protection.

They couldn't have put him in a worse situation, IMO.

Yep. When teams can blow through your guards at the rate we saw last night, then they don't have to get too exotic to get quick pressure in Alex's face. Easy coverage when you can drop 7 every play.

jonzie04 · 08-18-2014, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Don't know if this means anything, but it should be noted that Marcus Cooper has been virtually invisible.

Ive noticed this as well. I've seen it as a positive. I'll take invisible over a defensive pi, or raping any day of the week.

OldSchool · 08-18-2014, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Don't know if this means anything, but it should be noted that Marcus Cooper has been virtually invisible.

IMO, this is a good thing. It means that he is doing his job and covering his receiver a lot more adequately than any of our other corners are.

Also, Chris Owens was a solid pickup in the slot.

OldSchool · 08-18-2014, 11:49 PM

Another note on the secondary. Van Dyke is easily our most explosive guy but seems to be undisciplined still. On his penalty, he reached out and put his hand on the WR on the fly route when he didn't need to. The guy has 4.2 speed, I'd like to see him trust it rather than panic and reach out for the WR.

Freak athlete who never became a true technician. Hopefully we can turn that around and develop him into a decent cover corner.

**Mav** · 08-19-2014, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Don't know if this means anything, but it should be noted that Marcus Cooper has been virtually invisible.

Because he has been doing his job.

just carrying over from the playoff game.

he wasn't the one getting torched.

he played really well.

I commented the other day how well he was playing.

John Dope · 08-19-2014, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

Because he has been doing his job.

just carrying over from the playoff game.

he wasn't the one getting torched.

he played really well.

I commented the other day how well he was playing.

Exactly. I noticed it last night. He might be playing at a higher level than anyone else on our defense right now.

**Buehler445** · 08-19-2014, 07:00 AM

OK, I must have missed it. Why is Berry out? is he hurt?

Sandy Vagina · 08-19-2014, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

OK, I must have missed it. Why is Berry out? is he hurt?

Berry has some soreness in his heel that KC is being cautious of, IIRC.

Three7s · 08-19-2014, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

IMO, this is a good thing. It means that he is doing his job and covering his receiver a lot more adequately than any of our other corners are.

Also, Chris Owens was a solid pickup in the slot.

Try Chris Owens opposite Marcus Cooper? Can't be worse than Ron "burnt toast" Parker or Sean Smith.

08-17-2014, 08:23 PM
OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	First Units Impressions Things that I noticed off the bat: Offense: Alex Smith - Looked good except for a couple of misfires. He was hit way too much in this game. Eric Fisher - Looks alright but he had a couple of glaringly bad moments, both against Hardy. Completely whiffed on a pass play and run play. He played better than I expected but not as well as you would hope. Run plays - We were successful almost exclusively on runs to the left of our formation but anything going to the right was almost always stuffed right away. Interior OL - It's about as bad as I thought it would be. Star had his way with Jeff Allen way too often. Fulton is a terrible blocker in the screen game. TE Fasano - I think he is best described as slow but steady. I hope Kelce replaces him in the starting role sooner rather than later. Bowe - Looks like he did in the later part of the season and into the playoffs. He'll be fine as long as he stays healthy. DAT - Fast as hell with great vision and showed fantastic awareness and burst on his carry. Knile Davis - For some reason, he looks slower to me this year. I thought he was Gray on a couple of plays. He had one bad play in pass pro but was ok otherwise. Play calling - Way too predictable but that's the pre-season for you. Expect them to open it up a little more in week 3 for the dress-up and then shut it down for week 4 before the regular season. Defense: Houston - He looks sluggish out there and really ineffective. This is the guy that everyone wants to extend for $60+ mil a year? Could just be him being out of shape from his holdout but we'll see if he can turn it on for the season. Hali - Same as always. Steady and high motor player who shows no quit. Looks much better than Houston. DBs - Can we please switch to Seattle's cover scheme? We lack the dominant, or at least technically sound corners, that can run the man coverage scheme effectively. Cooper is our best CB and he's still a bit too raw to be trusted on an island. Smith just doesn't really have the foot speed to be effective in man coverage, especially with the new rules today. Joe Mays - He's an upgrade over Jordan so far, at least as a blitzer and in the run game. DL - Poe looks solid and was held on an awful lot of plays. We still gave up the short TD runs far too easily though. What did you guys notice out of the first unit out there?
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OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	Another note on the secondary. Van Dyke is easily our most explosive guy but seems to be undisciplined still. On his penalty, he reached out and put his hand on the WR on the fly route when he didn't need to. The guy has 4.2 speed, I'd like to see him trust it rather than panic and reach out for the WR. Freak athlete who never became a true technician. Hopefully we can turn that around and develop him into a decent cover corner.
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