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2. Wainwright's last three full seasons: 5.3, 5.6, 4.0 (coming off TJ) Shields' last three full seasons: 1.7, 4.5, 3.9 This season: WW: 3.0, JS: 1.8 Wainwright's xFIP is also better as well. Wainwright also has one of the best 2-3 pitches in baseball that he can lean on in a desperate situation. Shields doesn't have that. I don't view them in the same class at all. 3. No. Bad bodied DHs don't age well. It's just that simple.
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05-29-2013, 11:10 AM | #1039 |
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Look at the Reds' schedule so far, dumb ****.
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05-29-2013, 11:14 AM | #1040 |
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05-29-2013, 11:18 AM | #1041 |
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Did you ever stop to think that the Reds are as close as they are due to their schedule and that these four games may not matter as much as you think once it actually evens out?
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05-29-2013, 11:24 AM | #1043 |
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Show me a post where I said they were.
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05-29-2013, 11:29 AM | #1045 |
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Did those games help us out in 2011 when we were 11.5 games out in late August and went on to take the title?
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05-29-2013, 12:34 PM | #1046 |
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Appreciate the responses.
1) Alex Gordon's defensive value at 3B was basically the same as David Freese (neutral to slightly below average). His worst seasons defensively - 2009 and 2010 - also happened during seasons Gordon was injured and in small sample sizes. He could definitely play everyday there. He also can play 1B and would be an upgrade over Craig or Adams. Like you guys said... They would get him in that lineup. We'll see how Holliday closes the year, but right now Gordon is a better offensive player (and defensive and baserunning abilities are really not close). How much time is left on that Holliday contact? I remember he's making $20 million/year or so... 2) I was looking at 2011, 2012 and this season when comparing Shields and Wainwright initially (because I was lazy and that was the default in the StatsPass setting I was using). Since wainwright didn't pitch in 2011, I was comparing 2010, 2012 and 2013 for Waino to 2011-now for Shields (stupid Tommy John). I don't have a problem saying Wainwright is better historically or that he is a few slots higher on the totem pole in the grand scheme of things. Assuming he fully recovers from TJ (and it looks like he has), Wainwright is one of the top 15 pitchers in baseball, easily and without any debate. I think you could comfortably say Shields is one of the 20-25 pitchers in baseball, easily and without any debate. Especially considering that he is a career AL and AL East pitcher. It was the claim that Shields wasn't even in the same zip code (and, subsequently, pointing out that the two pitchers are closer/more similar than some might realize of late) that touched off the hysteria and anger. 3) I full expect Butler's career to start to slide downhill once he reaches his mid-30s. No argument there. I know that Bill James' whiz-bang career projection tool spits out about a 24 percent chance that Butler reaches 3k hits. I think that's high and would say it's more like a 10 or 15 percent chance. People over there were giving it a "winning Powerball" chance, though, which is silly.
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05-29-2013, 01:40 PM | #1047 |
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Holliday makes about 17 MM. He's just been "blah" to start this season. Never had an extended hot streak, but he's never looked completely helpless either. He's also been a little unlucky to start the year. His K rate has dropped precipitously and his BABIP is .267, but his GB rate is up while his LD rate is a touch down, but at the same rate it was when he was a 6 WAR player in 2010.
Gordon's near .400 BABIP is a might ridiculous.
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If he could play an equal defensive third base, I'd put Gordon there, put him in the 2 hole and forget about it.
I don't think I'd take him over Craig and/or Adams at first simply because I'm not sure he would have the thud to hit 4th as they do/can. But to put him and Carpenter in front of Holliday, Craig, Beltran, Yadi, would be pretty impressive. |
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Or forget about Gordon at 1st or 3rd. Play Matt Holliday at 1B and leave Gordon in left. Keeps Holliday's bat in the lineup and moves him off of a position where he is below- to fringe-average. Holliday might also be able to avoid the nagging injuries that always seem to steal a couple of weeks from each of his seasons.
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At this point, I'd expect the .396 BABIP to correct down but probably end up a smidge higher than in 2011 and 2012 since we're already through nearly 1/3 of the season.
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