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12-12-2013, 10:07 AM | #106 | |
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It's perfectly reasonable and logical to say you prefer they give an extension ONLY if Alex Smith proves he deserves it (and proves he CAN be a QB who LEADS a team to playoff wins). Even a few guys who are big Smith defenders (Boss Chief, scott free) are on that bandwagon. I am pretty sure about what's coming (drafting pieces around Alex, maybe taking a flyer on a guy in the middle or late rounds). Doesn't mean I have to like it or accept it.
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12-12-2013, 10:09 AM | #107 | |
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He played like a top 10 QB in those games and we lost because the defense wet itself. What does that have to do with Smith? The guy did everything you could reasonably expect. He outplayed Manning in Arrowhead, IMO and was every bit Rivers' equal. You really think we're improving as a football team by tossing that? Additionally, letting a QB play out his walk year sends a clear sign to the player and the team that you don't trust him. It creates a leadership crisis more often than not. Even when it works out (i.e. Flacco), it hurts the team through inflating his price tag. Why do you need to see another year of Alex Smith? What can you possibly think you'll learn? Smith now has 3 straight years of doing the same thing - being a high end game manager that is capable of turning it up a little bit while taking very little off the table. That's what you have - the end. If he wins the next 3 games, that won't change. If he loses the next 3 games, that won't change. None of your requests will change who the guy is. And you're absolutely wrong that the guy hasn't done anything to prove he's not better than one of the 15-25th best QB options in the league. He's outplayed many of the guys you'd have put on that list ahead of him over the last 3 years. He's been better than Flacco, better than Eli, better than Kaepernick. He's nowhere near as flashy as those guys but damn is he smart with the ball and he's a very good leader. You folks that are dismissing this out of hand are simply digging your heels in. If the Chiefs can get him signed to a reasonable deal they'd be fools not to. Even if they have to sign him for 6, everyone knows the first 3/4 is what matters. Moreoever, given the state of QBs in this league (God-awful), getting Smith signed to a reasonable contract where any signing bonus would accelerate onto the Chiefs cap in the event of a trade makes him a hell of a trade asset. If we do manage to get a young QB that is good enough to replace him, huzzah; we'll deal him. If you let him play through his walk year he has no reason at all to extend without testing the market. Once that happens, his price will increase substantially. Additionally, are you really ready to go with Bray in that event? if so, that's just absurd - you've seen nothing to believe he's ready to play. Letting an established QB with a clear track record play through his walk year is silly. He's not going to change in 2014.
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12-12-2013, 10:14 AM | #108 | |
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I would guess the Chiefs end up drafting no lower than 24th (where they would slot with a first-round playoff loss, right?). Who knows how the QB class works out, but that might put them in position to take a QB who can be the guy down the road. I'd suggest the Chiefs keep looking for other QB options and let Alex Smith play out the last year of his contract. Make the decision on the extension later, after next season. That gives you a better idea of what you have in Smith (And if Reid's tutelage can make him more than a middle-of-the-pack QB) and also a better idea of what you have brought in/what will be available to you in the 2015 draft.
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12-12-2013, 10:17 AM | #109 | |
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I'd need to see how he plays out the rest of the season and the playoffs. If he continues to play like he did against the Broncos and Chargers....and he gets us a playoff win. Then sure...as long as it's nothing huge. If we go back to the offense in the beginning of the year....then no.
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12-12-2013, 10:22 AM | #111 | |
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So there's nothing wrong with extending Alex Smith for a couple years beyond next year, so we don't end up with a rookie and Daniel as our only options. |
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The Chiefs would be absolutely stupid to take a QB in the first round in 2014 and you know it. Quit being glib; it's beneath you. The conversation is in regards to Alex Smith; the rest is noise. If you wait through his walk year to extend him, you're going to wait that much longer to get to your long-term option or you're going to have to let him walk. If he gets to his walk year, he's going to look for a deal that makes him uncuttable for at least 3 seasons and in an open market could probably demand one that got him 4. So now you're talking about being married to the guy for 2014-2018 seasons at the very least. Alternatively, you approach him this off-season about an extension that is done while you have more leverage and you make it escapable after 3 seasons. At that point you're looking at having him through 2016 with what amount to options in 2017 and beyond. And now you have time to legitimately address the QB situation rather than just reach for the QB highest on your board in the first this year and throw his ass to the wolves in 2015. Hypothetical are easy - "Nah, I'll look elsewhere. No, I want an elite QB. FIRST ROUND QBS!!!!!" - reality often intervenes. Elsewhere is likely Josh McCown (you could insert Matt Flynn or Ryan Fitzpatrick in this sentence last season). Elite QBs are few and far between. First round QBs are great when you're in a good position to take them. The 2014 draft is extremely unlikely to present that possibility.
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12-12-2013, 10:27 AM | #113 | |
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At Denver? Top 10 QBs don't complete less than 50 percent of their passes for 5.2 YPA. A few drops don't make up for 24 incompletions and a weak offensive effort against a mediocre-at-best defense. He did play like a top 10 guy against San Diego (though it should be noted his performance against that defense was pretty similar to what the league has done against it this season). And outplay Manning at Arrowhead? I think only a Chiefs fan would say. Why do I need to see another year of Alex Smith? Because he has shown me nothing that makes me think he's better than what he was in San Francisco. Which is not good enough. It places him squarely in the middle of the starting QB pecking order, and it's damn hard to win anything of consequence when that's the case. There's time to wait. At least get through this year's draft and FA period before signing the extension. If they get through those without acquiring another QB, I wouldn't squawk at a modest extension for Smith, for the reasons you state. Something that extends him at a similar salary to what he's making now would be fine.
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"Who cares if the guy sucks, it means are record will be bad and we'll get to draft another one!!!" Or it means that we'd take Geno Smith and suck for another 5 years. And this is from someone that liked Geno. How the hell can anyone, after experiencing the 3 years we just experienced, truly be in favor of falling back into that morass? Moreover, it's a shitload easier for us to say when it's not our careers that would waste away - tell that to Hali, Johnson, Flower and Charles - we owe it to those guys to field a competitive football team. QBs like Wilson, Glennon and Foles are falling further in the draft and becoming more and more common. The idea that we should just keep throwing haymakers at the QB position and not give a shit if it leaves us winning 4 games/season until we finally get our guy (if we ever get our guy; many teams haven't) is just absurd.
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I don't even know if you draft a QB next year at all.
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Take it over on Day 1 in 2015? Maybe. Depends on how the draft works out. If the Chiefs draft a QB high (I don't expect this to happen, but it SHOULD be on the table, even if it won't) in the 2014 draft, that player could sit for a year behind Alex Smith before being asked to start. You wouldn't be starting a rookie.
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What he was in San Fransisco and now here is better than what we're 80% likely to get. And if we don't have that yet, why let him get away? There's nothing to be gained by letting go of the first branch before you've grabbed the next. I like the idea of planning for a future without Alex Smith, but Alex Smith is part of that plan. I'm not okay with just falling to hell and losing 12 games/season while we watch a legitimate HoF talent at RB waste away. I'm not okay with pissing away the remainder of the careers of two of the best Chiefs you'll ever see in Hali and DJ. We have to keep this team healthy in the short term while building for the long. Alex Smith does that. It fosters a winning culture again. It gets us closer to the Broncos than the Jaguars (and bad news, kiddos - the rest of the NFL had us squarely in that 'well there's a W' category with the Jags, Bucs, Raiders and the rest of the NFL swill). If you want to wait until after the draft to approach Smith - fine. But if his representatives were to approach us immediately following the end of the season with a reasonable proposal that keeps him here for 3-4 years on terms that are similar to these (with adjustments for increases in the cap), I'd take it right then. The plan can include Alex Smith; that doesn't mean the plan is Alex Smith.
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I'm saying: 1) Alex Smith can prove to ME (which doesn't mean shit, ultimately) and most other doubters that he deserves an extension by accomplishing a few things before the end of this season. 2) If he doesn't accomplish those things before the Chiefs' season ends, you don't have to automatically extend him right away. You can still go through the draft and FA and then work something out in training camp/before the start of the season if necessary. EDIT: And regarding... "HOw does drafting a QB in the first help us win..." Maybe it doesn't in 2014. But if it helps you win big down the road, long-term, it's a good move. Respect the short-term and long-term pictures, right?
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