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Hammock Parties · 03-01-2009, 05:06 AM

WOW! EPIC FAIL! I LOVE IT!

Broncos blow call on Cutler fiasco

The Broncos have lost quarterback Jay Cutler.

If Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders were thinking, even for a microsecond, about trading Jay Cutler, both must be fired today by Pat Bowlen. If the Broncos' owner was a co-conspirator in such a preposterous, outrageous thought, he should fire himself.

Do not suffer the fools gladly. They obviously know not what they do.

The Broncos' new hierarchy has lost Cutler's respect, his excitement about free agents just signed, his enthusiasm for a restructured offense and a totally retooled defense, his commitment to the team, his determination to make the Broncos a power again in the NFL and his efforts to prove his value. He has lost the certainty of being in Denver.

"I'm upset. I mean, I'm really shocked at this point," Cutler told The Post's Mike Klis on Saturday afternoon. The quarterback then said he didn't think the matter was settled, and he could still be traded.

The Pro Bowl quarterback wasn't any more stunned than everyone else in Colorado and throughout the nation when it was reported Saturday that his name was mentioned prominently — front and center — in a trade involving the Tampa Bay Bucs, the New England Patriots, the Detroit Lions, No. 1 draft choices and Matt Cassel.

The last time we heard of such an extreme, ludicrous deal, the Broncos got John Elway for a No. 1 draft pick, a reserve quarterback and three exhibition games between Denver and Baltimore. (Really). But the Broncos were on the right side then.

This is the wrong message, wrong time, wrong thought, wrong men at the wheel.

McDaniels admitted the Broncos have been approached about trading Cutler, but said the quarterback was "not the only person in the last few days we've received calls on." We don't care if somebody called about a backup defensive end.

All the new coach should have said was: "We were asked about Cutler. We responded that under no conditions, in no uncertain terms, would we even ever talk about trading Cutler."

Maybe there is, after all, a problem with being a young, inexperienced head coach.

Or maybe McDaniels was contemplating a trade of Cutler for Cassel, who had a very good year with the New Eng- land Patriots, but could be a one-year wonder.

If the Patriots had talked about Tom Brady for Cutler, well . . . but there would be no reason for the Broncos to talk to Tampa Bay about anything. And if the Detroit Lions wanted to talk about giving up their entire draft, including the No. 1 pick, for Cutler, then you listen.

And where is the new general manager — reading his X-files? Xanders, who has been slow to figure out his job, should have been on the phones Saturday afternoon to The Post denying that the Broncos would ever think about trading Cutler, and on the phone to Cutler apologizing for any misconceptions and begging for forgiveness. But the X-Man's on-the-job training apparently didn't prepare him for complicated situations.

And what did Bowlen know and when? The owner claims the responsibility for the Broncos runs to the top. He should have been providing explanations, not hiding behind a desk like Nixon.

This is a total mucked-up mess, and the Broncos' brass didn't know how to handle it.

Oh, it can and should be said that Cutler is a petulant sort who pouts when he doesn't get his way — on the field and in the community, and he can be a lout. He has to realize this is the NFL, and stuff will happen. He was all hot and bothered when Mike Shanahan and his guide, Jeremy Bates, were flipped aside for McDaniels and The Brave New Direction. But Cutler supposedly got over it and moved on. Peyton Manning will be playing for his third coach. Joe Montana was kicked out the door. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have been traded.

Then, there was the matter of Elway. After the '91 season, then-coach Dan Reeves wanted to get rid of Elway. He told me and others that Elway couldn't or wouldn't read defenses and couldn't or wouldn't win a Super Bowl.

Elway and Reeves weren't on the same page, not in the same universe. They barely coexisted.

A deal with the Redskins fell through during the summer. Bowlen chose Elway over Reeves and fired the coach. Elway eventually won two Super Bowls.

Cutler is in Elway's shadow, but not in his standing yet, and likely will never be. Defensive backs and his ego get in the way of too many of Cutler's passes. But he is a quality young quarterback and the class of 2006. Rather have Vince Young or Matt Leinart now? And Cassel is a sand castle in comparison.

Cutler shouldn't be traded. When somebody calls about Jay, Kid Mac or the X-Man should hang up.

And the face of your franchise should not be treated like ground beef. McDaniels, who must be running the team, not Xanders or Bowlen, should have gone to Cutler's house and said: "Jay, Tampa Bay, Detroit and New England came to us, and I told them to go spit in their helmets. You're my guy."

Or maybe McDaniels was lying when he told me: "I hope Jay is as excited about playing for me as I am excited about having him as my quarterback."

McDaniels must get this predicament settled today. We don't really care if the Broncos signed a couple of backup running backs and a veteran (maybe too veteran) safety with a proud past and a — be still, our hearts — a long snapper to a three-year contract. This team starts and stops with Cutler.

What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. The Broncos need to go find Jay Cutler.

orange · 03-01-2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

How about Jay Cutler? Is he a credible enough source for you?

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The Denver Broncos want Jay Cutler to return for a little sit down to mend fences after the team's reported failed attempt to trade for New England quarterback Matt Cassel. Cutler won't have any of it after the two sides spoke by telephone Sunday.

"They want me to come in and talk to 'em but I'm not doing it right now; I'm going to lay low," said Cutler. "The [Broncos] deny everything. That's a problem. We know for a fact they tried to trade me."

I read that interview but I can't remember where. I do remember a lot of quotes by his agent, "Bus" Cook. He sounded like he's angling for renegotiation.

Can you post the rest of that (or link)?

StcChief · 03-01-2009, 10:14 PM

problems in Donxs land, the offseason just keeps getting better.

orange · 03-01-2009, 10:16 PM

Here's a good discussion on Schefter's blog.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80f041dd

Quesadilla Joe · 03-01-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Are you hard of reading?

Jay Cutler:

WE
KNOW
FOR
A
FACT
THEY
TRIED
TO
TRADE
ME

Your head-buried-in-the-sand "Denver only took a call and passed on it" scenario has exploded. JAY CUTLER is calling it bullshit.

They didn't though. Obviously they didn't think what they were offered and turned it down.

Brock · 03-01-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cutler7624

They didn't though. Obviously they didn't think what they were offered and turned it down.

Homer.

BigRock · 03-01-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

I read that interview but I can't remember where. I do remember a lot of quotes by his agent, "Bus" Cook. He sounded like he's angling for renegotiation.

Can you post the rest of that (or link)?

Why, certainly. ESPN has two new stories on it:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3944555
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation...-his-guns.html

BigRock · 03-01-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cutler7624

They didn't though. Obviously they didn't think what they were offered and turned it down.

Jay Cutler disagrees.

orange · 03-01-2009, 10:27 PM

Team officials were in contact with his agent, Bus Cook, on Saturday and Sunday to deny their involvement and reinforce their commitment to Cutler. Cook said Cutler has every right to be upset.

"Because that's a vote of no confidence in the guy," Cook told The Associated Press on Sunday. "I don't care if you're talking about trading him for Matt Cassel, Matt Ryan or Tom Brady. That's a vote of no confidence in him, and that's how Jay sees it and I would, too.

"I don't know if they were actively seeking to trade Jay, but on the other hand, I don't know that they were turning a deaf ear to potential offers, either."

"I don't know if the relationship is irreconcilably broken," Cook said. "But I know that as much as he's meant to the organization and that ballclub, if there were attempts to trade him, then I think Jay Cutler is 100 percent right to be more than just a little bit miffed."

"There's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be a fire," Cook said. "If they were in fact trying to trade Jay Cutler, then I think that's a situation that's going to cause a very serious problem for the organization.

"If they weren't, maybe he forgives and forgets. But if they were, that's going to be a very difficult situation to repair."

BigRock · 03-01-2009, 10:28 PM

Here's what I thought was the best part.

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Cutler is 17-20 with no playoff appearances since supplanting Jake Plummer late in the 2006 season, and he's known for his petulant, moody personality in his dealings with teammates and the media alike.

YA BURNT

SoCalBronco · 03-01-2009, 10:35 PM

I'm glad he told them to go **** themselves with an industrial grade sandpaper condom. He'll meet with them whenever he wants to. They're not entitled to anything. Who the **** do they think they are. They need to be taught a lesson. They need to be humbled and treated like dogs. Hopefully, Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler are working on turning the rest of the offense against the staff. They need to mount an insurrection. There will be no meeting until McDaniels is fired. Bowlen is too much of a weakling to do anything unless he's threatened with mass chaos. He's a drunk who has no courage unless its liquid courage. Why don't you go get some treatment you ****ing drunk.

Good job, Jay. Keep shoving that shit back in Mc****Face's direction. These people are thugs. Bowlen either has to get rid of them or lose the whole offense. They have to force him into a choice.

Hammock Parties · 03-01-2009, 10:37 PM

Well, I just want the Chiefs to trade Cassel for Cutler.

That would be the ultimate Pioli smackdown.

**Bowser** · 03-01-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

I'm glad he told them to go **** themselves with an industrial grade sandpaper condom. He'll meet with them whenever he wants to. They're not entitled to anything. Who the **** do they think they are. They need to be taught a lesson. They need to be humbled and treated like dogs. Hopefully, Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler are working on turning the rest of the offense against the staff. They need to mount an insurrection. There will be no meeting until McDaniels is fired. Bowlen is too much of a weakling to do anything unless he's threatened with mass chaos. He's a drunk who has no courage unless its liquid courage.

Good job, Jay. Keep shoving that shit back in Mc****Face's direction. These people are thugs. Bowlen either has to get rid of them or lose the whole offense. They have to force him into a choice.

Just to be clear - you are ready to deep six your brand new coaching staff before they even conduct a single offseason OTA?

SoCalBronco · 03-01-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Just to be clear - you are ready to deep six your brand new coaching staff before they even conduct a single offseason OTA?

McDaniels needs to be fired. Dennison should be the interim HC for 2009 with Turner staying as well. I have no problem with the defensive staff staying and I have no problem with Xanders staying since Xanders saved us from this colossal ****up.

orange · 03-01-2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser

Just to be clear - you are ready to deep six your brand new coaching staff before they even conduct a single offseason OTA?

He was never on board. Still clinging to Shanahan.

**Bowser** · 03-01-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by orange

He was never on board. Still clinging to Shanahan.

Him and TJ both, although I think TJ was more anti-Bowlen than anti-McDaniels.

03-01-2009, 05:06 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4420478	Woody Paige says McDaniels and Xanders should be fired in Denver WOW! EPIC FAIL! I LOVE IT! Broncos blow call on Cutler fiasco The Broncos have lost quarterback Jay Cutler. If Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders were thinking, even for a microsecond, about trading Jay Cutler, both must be fired today by Pat Bowlen. If the Broncos' owner was a co-conspirator in such a preposterous, outrageous thought, he should fire himself. Do not suffer the fools gladly. They obviously know not what they do. The Broncos' new hierarchy has lost Cutler's respect, his excitement about free agents just signed, his enthusiasm for a restructured offense and a totally retooled defense, his commitment to the team, his determination to make the Broncos a power again in the NFL and his efforts to prove his value. He has lost the certainty of being in Denver. "I'm upset. I mean, I'm really shocked at this point," Cutler told The Post's Mike Klis on Saturday afternoon. The quarterback then said he didn't think the matter was settled, and he could still be traded. The Pro Bowl quarterback wasn't any more stunned than everyone else in Colorado and throughout the nation when it was reported Saturday that his name was mentioned prominently — front and center — in a trade involving the Tampa Bay Bucs, the New England Patriots, the Detroit Lions, No. 1 draft choices and Matt Cassel. The last time we heard of such an extreme, ludicrous deal, the Broncos got John Elway for a No. 1 draft pick, a reserve quarterback and three exhibition games between Denver and Baltimore. (Really). But the Broncos were on the right side then. This is the wrong message, wrong time, wrong thought, wrong men at the wheel. McDaniels admitted the Broncos have been approached about trading Cutler, but said the quarterback was "not the only person in the last few days we've received calls on." We don't care if somebody called about a backup defensive end. All the new coach should have said was: "We were asked about Cutler. We responded that under no conditions, in no uncertain terms, would we even ever talk about trading Cutler." Maybe there is, after all, a problem with being a young, inexperienced head coach. Or maybe McDaniels was contemplating a trade of Cutler for Cassel, who had a very good year with the New Eng- land Patriots, but could be a one-year wonder. If the Patriots had talked about Tom Brady for Cutler, well . . . but there would be no reason for the Broncos to talk to Tampa Bay about anything. And if the Detroit Lions wanted to talk about giving up their entire draft, including the No. 1 pick, for Cutler, then you listen. And where is the new general manager — reading his X-files? Xanders, who has been slow to figure out his job, should have been on the phones Saturday afternoon to The Post denying that the Broncos would ever think about trading Cutler, and on the phone to Cutler apologizing for any misconceptions and begging for forgiveness. But the X-Man's on-the-job training apparently didn't prepare him for complicated situations. And what did Bowlen know and when? The owner claims the responsibility for the Broncos runs to the top. He should have been providing explanations, not hiding behind a desk like Nixon. This is a total mucked-up mess, and the Broncos' brass didn't know how to handle it. Oh, it can and should be said that Cutler is a petulant sort who pouts when he doesn't get his way — on the field and in the community, and he can be a lout. He has to realize this is the NFL, and stuff will happen. He was all hot and bothered when Mike Shanahan and his guide, Jeremy Bates, were flipped aside for McDaniels and The Brave New Direction. But Cutler supposedly got over it and moved on. Peyton Manning will be playing for his third coach. Joe Montana was kicked out the door. Hall of Fame quarterbacks have been traded. Then, there was the matter of Elway. After the '91 season, then-coach Dan Reeves wanted to get rid of Elway. He told me and others that Elway couldn't or wouldn't read defenses and couldn't or wouldn't win a Super Bowl. Elway and Reeves weren't on the same page, not in the same universe. They barely coexisted. A deal with the Redskins fell through during the summer. Bowlen chose Elway over Reeves and fired the coach. Elway eventually won two Super Bowls. Cutler is in Elway's shadow, but not in his standing yet, and likely will never be. Defensive backs and his ego get in the way of too many of Cutler's passes. But he is a quality young quarterback and the class of 2006. Rather have Vince Young or Matt Leinart now? And Cassel is a sand castle in comparison. Cutler shouldn't be traded. When somebody calls about Jay, Kid Mac or the X-Man should hang up. And the face of your franchise should not be treated like ground beef. McDaniels, who must be running the team, not Xanders or Bowlen, should have gone to Cutler's house and said: "Jay, Tampa Bay, Detroit and New England came to us, and I told them to go spit in their helmets. You're my guy." Or maybe McDaniels was lying when he told me: "I hope Jay is as excited about playing for me as I am excited about having him as my quarterback." McDaniels must get this predicament settled today. We don't really care if the Broncos signed a couple of backup running backs and a veteran (maybe too veteran) safety with a proud past and a — be still, our hearts — a long snapper to a three-year contract. This team starts and stops with Cutler. What were they thinking? They weren't thinking. The Broncos need to go find Jay Cutler.
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orange MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Denver, CO Casino cash: $10004900	Team officials were in contact with his agent, Bus Cook, on Saturday and Sunday to deny their involvement and reinforce their commitment to Cutler. Cook said Cutler has every right to be upset. "Because that's a vote of no confidence in the guy," Cook told The Associated Press on Sunday. "I don't care if you're talking about trading him for Matt Cassel, Matt Ryan or Tom Brady. That's a vote of no confidence in him, and that's how Jay sees it and I would, too. "I don't know if they were actively seeking to trade Jay, but on the other hand, I don't know that they were turning a deaf ear to potential offers, either." "I don't know if the relationship is irreconcilably broken," Cook said. "But I know that as much as he's meant to the organization and that ballclub, if there were attempts to trade him, then I think Jay Cutler is 100 percent right to be more than just a little bit miffed." "There's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be a fire," Cook said. "If they were in fact trying to trade Jay Cutler, then I think that's a situation that's going to cause a very serious problem for the organization. "If they weren't, maybe he forgives and forgets. But if they were, that's going to be a very difficult situation to repair."
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SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Arcadia, CA Casino cash: $10006115	I'm glad he told them to go ** themselves with an industrial grade sandpaper condom. He'll meet with them whenever he wants to. They're not entitled to anything. Who the do they think they are. They need to be taught a lesson. They need to be humbled and treated like dogs. Hopefully, Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler are working on turning the rest of the offense against the staff. They need to mount an insurrection. There will be no meeting until McDaniels is fired. Bowlen is too much of a weakling to do anything unless he's threatened with mass chaos. He's a drunk who has no courage unless its liquid courage. Why don't you go get some treatment you ing drunk. Good job, Jay. Keep shoving that shit back in Mc**Face's direction. These people are thugs. Bowlen either has to get rid of them or lose the whole offense. They have to force him into a choice.
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