A ton of Kiper tidbits, some involving the Chiefs.

[Direckshun]

If you're a Kiper hater, PLEASE SKIP THIS THREAD.

Conversations about whether Kiper's an idiot bore the shit out of me.

Enjoy the draft nuggets. That is all.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Johnny Manziel is the NFL's consensus No. 1 QB http://sbn.to/1aznPXK

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Seattle: "Everybody doesn't have the array of talent that the Seahawks do. Everybody's going to copy that and I say good luck."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Sammy Watkins will slip past the fifth pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
I'll have to go back and listen, but now Kiper just said Breeland is a third or fourth rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Borland: I don't care how tall he is. He's got great instincts, love his approach. He's going to be a second round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks all three top offensive tackles go in the top 11. He has Robinson No. 2 to St. Louis.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said the majority of teams have it Robinson, Lewan and Matthews.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jake Matthews may be slipping a bit because some teams view him as a right tackle.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentioned 3rd round for Austin Seferian-Jenkins, which makes me sad.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Ravens should look at Eric Ebron in the first round, if he's not there a WR.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bashaud Breeland of Clemson could go in the second round. Whoa.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
2nd round for Kyle Fuller, 3rd or 4th of Antone Exum.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Logan Thomas could still be a 2nd or 3rd rounder, but he can't play early. Some in the NFL still think he's a 6th rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Third to fifth round for Michael Sam. Andrew Wilson Day 3. James Franklin UDFA. Day 3 for the Mizzou WRs depending on workouts.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Ealy would fit in New Orleans because he's versatile. But he thinks he'll be a late first round pick.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks there will be a lot of centers and guards in the second round for the Colts to get.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper has Morgan Moses as a late first or early second rounder as a right tackle. Thinks Jack Mewhort is a second rounder.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Zack Martin would be a good pick for Miami and could be in play for Arizona. Cyrus Kouandjio in that range as well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says Kelcy Quarles is gaining a lot of momentum and could be a mid second round pick and may rise higher.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@ChrisBurke_SI That's the oddest part of this call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said a lot of teams still have Clowney No. 1 on their boards.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Clowney, like Manziel, could go No. 1 or No. 3 to get pressure on Andrew Luck in the AFC South.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Jace Amaro goes late in the first round, maybe to New England with pick No. 29.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Calvin Pryor may end up being the top safety because he can play free or strong.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "I think the next Steve Smith could be Brandin Cooks, who I have going to Carolina with pick No. 28."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Bruce Gaston is a fourth rounder but could rise with a good pro day. Thinks Ricardo Allen is a UDFA.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Stanley Jean-Baptiste is a mid-second rounder and will be the first Nebraska player draft. Now, Purdue questions!

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper doesn't think Lewan gets past Tennessee with pick No. 11.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Lewan could go No. 2 to St. Louis or to Buffalo at No. 9. In the big board, Kiper thinks he's a top 10 player.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: Lewan has outstanding feet, balance and pass protection. Me: Uh...

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Lewan: He's a heck of a prospect, and I've thought that all along. It wasn't him, it was the interior of the line.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks that by the time the draft happens, Teddy Bridgewater will be underrated. Says Bortles has momentum and Manziel is NFL's No. 1

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper said there's not a consensus in the NFL on Bridgewater. He has it Bridge/Bortles/Manziel but GMs and scouts have them mixed up.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
@bhavikjpatel I'm on a conference call.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says TIm Jernigan would be "a heck of a pick" for the Bears if he's there. "I don't think DL is something you can wait on."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on Clowney being worried about injury in 2013: "That's all he worried about this year, it seems like."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper on the Browns: They could go QB/WR or WR/QB depending how the ratings work out for them.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"You see some similarities between Bridgewater and Donovan McNabb." Kiper says he's heard Cleveland has a high opinion of Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks Manziel will go No. 1 or No. 3. He thinks the Browns go with Teddy Bridgewater.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
"For Cleveland, to see Manziel there would be a surprise to me. When you talk to people in the league, he's the consensus No. 1 QB."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper says WR might be a position the Steelers wait on a little bit in the draft this year because of the depth and what they did last year.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the Steelers could land the second best corner with their first round pick, whether that's Gilbert or Dennard.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks just two or three first round cornerbacks. "A lot of 2nd and 3rd round coners."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper thinks the first round would be a nice opportunity for the Chiefs to draft a WR because of the quality of the position.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper mentions Benjamin, Beckham, Adams, Cooks, Landry as guys that would be "viable" for Kansas City.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: KC could go WR, safety, tight end. If you look at the WR pos, you could see 6-9 in the 1st round. Underclassmen need to test well.

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper: "Mack could jump into the mix at No. 3 easily (with a good combine)."

Dan Kadar ‏@MockingTheDraft · Feb 6
Kiper starts by talking the importance of the Combine because it gives teams true measurables on underclassmen.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, not at all.

I'd take a CB, a FS, a QB, a pass-rushing OLB...there's lots of positions that can have the kind of impact I'm looking for.

However, when I line that up with the guys that are likely to be available at #23, I think the best choice is at TE or maybe WR.

If Ealy drops, that would obviously change.

I'm not sure Ealy is good enough to stand up at olb I'm a traditional 34, but I kinda hope we are transitioning away from that.

The Seahawks have a great great secondary, but after looking at some of the all 22 guys have put up in post game articles, the broncos had guys running open.

Their pass rush won that game, just like the giants etc.

I wouldn't be against taking an olb obviously, but I don't think they'll look at one of the TEs with kelce coming back (I'm not a fan of that but oh well). I'd say it's a pretty good chance it's either a wr or an ol.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

It's weird, just because not having a second rounder puts a lot of pressure on you to hit a homerun with your first pick.

Which is kind of crap, actually. The best case scenario, I think, is that one of the QBs falls to us and someone trades up to get in front of Cincinatti (maybe Cleveland?) and we pick up a second or third rounder. At that point, I'd feel much more comfortable about going in any direction with our first.

This.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I think our DL needs depth more than anything else. Poe needs a breather now and then.

As far as being good enough to beat elite QBs, I think we need help on the backend. I definitely don't see a guy like Hageman being the difference that helps us beat the Broncos or Chargers

With the new rules, secondaries are hamstrung. Even the Seahawks great secondary left guys open.

We need to more effectively get to the qb but first and foremost we need a free safety worth a shit as that's about the most important spot on our d the way we currently run it

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

With the new rules, secondaries are hamstrung. Even the Seahawks great secondary left guys open.

We need to more effectively get to the qb but first and foremost we need a free safety worth a shit as that's about the most important spot on our d the way we currently run it

While I agree......I think Sutton needs to start using the ****ing depth that he has before we start blowing 1st round picks to replace Tyson Jackson. Either he's not rotating them in because he doesn't trust them or because he's ****ing stupid....it doesn't mean that we need to go spend another 1st rounder on a DE/DT.

[RunKC]

I think that this DL needs starters who can actually get into the backfield and disrupt. Poe is not enough. Build this thing up.

We've seen what a good OL can do for the rest of the offense in the Vermeil years. We've also see what a good pass rush can do during the Marty years.

The 49ers and Seahawks have built very good lines in the trenches and have added onto it with steals by getting skill players like Sherman, Boldin, Kearse and Baldwin for basically nothing.

Bottomline: draft well early and get a steal every year in the later rounds. Catapano and Cooper look like they can be those steals.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

While I agree......I think Sutton needs to start using the ****ing depth that he has before we start blowing 1st round picks to replace Tyson Jackson. Either he's not rotating them in because he doesn't trust them or because he's ****ing stupid....it doesn't mean that we need to go spend another 1st rounder on a DE/DT.

I think Sutton is part of the problem, but I also think that most of this shit is on the players. Lewis, Robinson, Jackson. Those 3 couldn't do their jobs no last year even if Vince Lombardi himself was coaching them.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

And where are you putting Donald when we do run the 3-4?

Honestly....obviously people would be 100% against moving Poe....but this d-line would be better off drafting a NT and moving Poe to DE. Then both of those players move inside in a 4 man front.

Not happening though.

What do you do with Donald when we run the 3-4? You let him rest so that he can be as close to 100% as possible every time that he comes in during sub packages as an interior pass rusher, which will be roughly 60% of our defensive snaps which will be during the most important possessions (2nd-3rd downs, to close a game out and hold onto a lead when the opponents have to pass the ball which means no more repeat of the playoff 2nd-half defensive crapfest, etc).

You take Donald to help Poe destroy the pocket against Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers. You sign a FA or let Catapano and Bailey man the 5-tech if you aren't comfortable going with Donald's length at the 5-tech in base sets. He and Easley are easily the best bets in terms of improving our pass rush in our "sub" packages which, again, we played in the majority of the time.

Jackson played 45% of defensive snaps last year at RDE/DT and Devito had 39.4% of the snaps at LDE/DT. What does that mean? A certain percentage of those snaps came at the DT position in the "sub" packages; We spent significantly more time in the "sub" defense than we did in the base 3-4 which means that the prototypical 5-tech isn't really all that important.

As for drafting a NT to spell/replace Poe, I think Powe is more than capable of doing that. Or you can go after Raji and have two of the biggest and most athletic DTs in the league at your disposal.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

What round did they draft their quarterback? What round did they draft their elite CB in? Hell what about their entire secondary save Earl Thomas? You can say this about any position really.

Which is precisely why I said everybody should stop trying to make an example out of an extreme exception to the rule.

Seattle has literally drafted, in all rounds, better than all but a few teams in the last 2 freaking decades.

Using Seattle as some kind of aspirational benchmark is ridiculously short-sighted.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

With the new rules, secondaries are hamstrung. Even the Seahawks great secondary left guys open.

We need to more effectively get to the qb but first and foremost we need a free safety worth a shit as that's about the most important spot on our d the way we currently run it

A situational 3-4 DE isn't going to help the pass rush as much everybody is hoping it will.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

We've also see what a good pass rush can do during the Marty years.

With a bunch of journeyman linemen no less.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

What do you do with Donald when we run the 3-4? You let him rest so that he can be as close to 100% as possible every time that he comes in during sub packages as an interior pass rusher, which will be roughly 60% of our defensive snaps which will be during the most important possessions (2nd-3rd downs, to close a game out and hold onto a lead when the opponents have to pass the ball which means no more repeat of the playoff 2nd-half defensive crapfest, etc).

You take Donald to help Poe destroy the pocket against Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers. You sign a FA or let Catapano and Bailey man the 5-tech if you aren't comfortable going with Donald's length at the 5-tech in base sets. He and Easley are easily the best bets in terms of improving our pass rush in our "sub" packages which, again, we played in the majority of the time.

Jackson played 45% of defensive snaps last year at RDE/DT and Devito had 39.4% of the snaps at LDE/DT. What does that mean? A certain percentage of those snaps came at the DT position in the "sub" packages; We spent significantly more time in the "sub" defense than we did in the base 3-4 which means that the prototypical 5-tech isn't really all that important.

As for drafting a NT to spell/replace Poe, I think Powe is more than capable of doing that. Or you can go after Raji and have two of the biggest and most athletic DTs in the league at your disposal.

And you're still taking a part time player with your #1 pick. Dee Ford does that as well.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

I wouldn't be against taking an olb obviously, but I don't think they'll look at one of the TEs with kelce coming back (I'm not a fan of that but oh well). I'd say it's a pretty good chance it's either a wr or an ol.

Kelce isn't a dynamic TE when he's healthy.

[TambaBerry]

Sutton ****ing blows, any kind of defensive coordinator that gives up that kind of lead needs to be fired on the spot. **** him and his shitty coaching.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

And where are you putting Donald when we do run the 3-4?

Honestly....obviously people would be 100% against moving Poe....but this d-line would be better off drafting a NT and moving Poe to DE. Then both of those players move inside in a 4 man front.

Not happening though.

I for one certainly wouldn't be against Poe moving outside, he would be ridiculously tough to set the edge against in the run game and would be a true rush threat against the pass.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

And you're still taking a part time player with your #1 pick. Dee Ford does that as well.

Nah, you're taking a guy who will significantly improve the effectiveness of this defense and will actually play the majority of the defensive snaps. Ford would have to sit behind Hali and Houston until either one of them is gone or until one of them is injured.