Football The Pioli Watch Thread - Page 8

cardken · 02:26 PM

I'm hijacking the thread starter to use for an "updates" area. Sorry cardken. Here are a few recent updates:

Last updated 1/13/09 2:30pm CDT (final update)

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

New England Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli has agreed to become head of football operations for the Kansas City Chiefs, two NFL sources confirmed to ESPN's Michael Smith.
The vice president for player personnel at New England, Pioli, 43, is close to Patriots coach Bill Belichick and has been with the Patriots for nine years. Pioli would find a warm welcome in Kansas City. At the last Chiefs' home game, shortly after the embattled Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO, several signs were spotted in the crowd proclaiming, "We want Pioli." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3830515

milkman · 12-31-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

How many GMs have won more Super Bowls (or been to more Super Bowls) this decade than Scott Pioli? I count zero.

How many GMs have won more playoff games than Pioli this decade (or during any decade in NFL history)? I count zero. In fact Pioli has won more playoff games with the Patriots since 2001 (14) than the Chiefs have won in their entire franchise history.

How many GMs can boast the ability to effectively blend the utilization of the draft and free agency as well as Pioli has with the Patriots, drafting the likes of Tom Brady, Dan Koppen, Matt Light, Logan Mankins, Asante Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Richard Seymour, Jerod Mayo and Deion Branch, and signing/trading for impact free agents such as Rodney Harrison, Mike Vrabel, Wes Welker, Adalius Thomas, Randy Moss and Corey Dillon? I count zero.

How many GMs can say they were voted Executive of the Year 4 different times this decade by major media outlets/organizations such as The Sporting News (voted by NFL executives), SI, USA Today, Pro Football Weekly and the NFLPA? I count zero.

Scott Pioli is the cream of the crop when it comes to current GMs in this league, yet certain elements of the fanbase want the Chiefs to settle for second or third best. I don't understand why. It is that simple.

Scott Pioli has done a hell of a job of compiling a list of players for Bellichick to work with, and is a big part of the success, but he isn't the guy that made the final decission on drafting/signing/trading for those players.

Bellichick is the decision maker.

Hammock Parties · 12-31-2008, 10:08 PM

Has anyone considered the irony of hiring Pioli?

We had our west-coast asshole (Carl). Now we get our east-coast asshole.

Be careful what you wish for!

**CosmicPal** · 12-31-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Be careful what you wish for!

I wish you'd get laid.

DaWolf · 01-01-2009, 03:24 AM

The clock is ticking on Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli, who today must decide whether he wants to take the Cleveland Browns’ offer to be their chief football executive, according to sources familiar with the negotiation.

The two sides met yesterday in New York, and parted company with no deal in place, but with the deadline established.

Club owner Randy Lerner made his pitch, and Pioli countered. According to one source, some within the Browns organization feel Pioli made demands so high that perhaps he really doesn’t want to leave the Patriots nest.

Or maybe he’s simply overplaying his hand.

Lerner is also expected to interview Atlanta Falcons president Rich McKay today for the same post. If that meeting does in fact take place, it would be a telltale sign the romance and flirtation with Pioli has ended.

The Browns also want to meet with recently fired Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, according to a report on the Cleveland Plain Dealer’s Web site. That adds another interesting wrinkle.

Pioli wants full control of the organization, and his first choice as head coach is Iowa’s Kirk Ferentz, a fellow former Browns staffer.

Lerner also met with deposed Jets coach Eric Mangini yesterday as a candidate for the head coaching position to replace yet another former Patriots staffer, Romeo Crennel, whom Lerner fired Monday. Several sources have indicated Lerner has a deep infatuation with Mangini, whose brother-in-law is Cleveland Indians general manager Mark Shapiro. Lerner believes some of the Bill Belichick coaching magic still exists in Mangini.

Pioli, however, appears to be the first priority.

The Browns entered yesterday’s meeting prepared to make what was described by a league source as “a huge” financial offer to the Pats executive. The money might have been “huge” but apparently not everything suited Pioli. According to sources, some of his demands were impossible for any team to meet.

Should Pioli spurn Cleveland’s offer, there are still a few more jobs potentially in the offing. Kansas City is one, and Pioli’s on the short list there. The Chiefs have also asked permission to speak with him.

The fit, however, might not be right there as owner Clint Hunt is said to be looking for a younger and less-heralded front office executive in the mold of Atlanta’s Thomas Dimitroff, another fledgling from the Patriots nest.

Denver is also another potential landing spot for Pioli, but doesn’t seem likely since Pat Bowlen, who just canned coach/general manager Shanahan, intends on hiring a coach first. He has also told his staff he will stick with the scouting staff, which would oppose Pioli’s stated desire for total control.

Pioli is out of the running at Detroit.

As for offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, the Browns have asked and reportedly been granted permission to speak with the Ohio native about their head coaching job. It’s not clear if McDaniels has decided to finally throw his hat in the ring, and interview for a top job. He’s also on Detroit’s list.

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**The Bad Guy** · 01-01-2009, 03:27 AM

I really don't think Pioli is asking for full control to become Team President and CEO, but rather have full control over the football operations.

If he wants to hire Ferentz here, fine. I don't know a lot about him, but Pioli obviously knows what he wants and if "Clint" is serious about him, he's going to have to play the game.

**Tribal Warfare** · 01-01-2009, 03:30 AM

Who the **** is Clint Hunt?

Hammock Parties · 01-01-2009, 03:58 AM

Clark Hunt > Randy Lerner

Fritz88 · 01-01-2009, 04:01 AM

Say goodbye to Pioli. and I don't give a flying f***

oaklandhater · 01-01-2009, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CMNERR

Say goodbye to Pioli. and I don't give a flying f***

YOU GO TO HELL YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE....

Mecca · 01-01-2009, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CMNERR

Say goodbye to Pioli. and I don't give a flying f***

Well that's a real positive attitude.

oaklandhater · 01-01-2009, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Well that's a real positive attitude.

Fook him and and any one else who doesnt want change.

Mecca · 01-01-2009, 04:28 AM

It's hard to say what will happen but I guess we'll find out shortly which way the Chiefs are going.

HIChief · 01-01-2009, 05:10 AM

If we don't land Pioli, are there any prospects among the playoff teams this year that might make us a good GM?

Boris The Great · 01-01-2009, 06:35 AM

I wouldnt put a lot of stock into Ron Borges here. A lot of this article doesnt ring true with things that have been reported elsewhere. Namely the whole deadline thing, which a lot of Cleveland people say isnt true because Lerner wouldnt have scheduled an interview with Rich McKay if he wasnt going to honor it.

And in reference to KC, Borges doesnt even think the Chiefs are a viable option because of his own misinformed assumptions. He keeps saying Pioli doesnt sound like the kind of GM Clark Hunt is looking for, which makes no sense. And he has written in the past, based on his own assumptions, that Clark would want Denny Thum to be consulted on football issues. No one has ever even hinted would be the case, but Borges thinks it will happen for some reason.

**ChiefGator** · 01-01-2009, 08:07 AM

I think it is interesting that the Browns are interviewing head coaches and executives. I think that actually makes the Chiefs a more favorable landing spot, although we may lose out on a coach in the process. Seems like the exec won't have complete control there. Is he going to lay off a coach just hired? Here, he gets to shitcan Herm on his first day.

12-31-2008, 10:08 PM	#107
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4160478	Has anyone considered the irony of hiring Pioli? We had our west-coast asshole (Carl). Now we get our east-coast asshole. Be careful what you wish for! __________________ Chiefs game films
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01-01-2009, 03:24 AM	#109
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	Cleveland expects Pioli to make decision today, feel demands were "high"... The clock is ticking on Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli, who today must decide whether he wants to take the Cleveland Browns’ offer to be their chief football executive, according to sources familiar with the negotiation. The two sides met yesterday in New York, and parted company with no deal in place, but with the deadline established. Club owner Randy Lerner made his pitch, and Pioli countered. According to one source, some within the Browns organization feel Pioli made demands so high that perhaps he really doesn’t want to leave the Patriots nest. Or maybe he’s simply overplaying his hand. Lerner is also expected to interview Atlanta Falcons president Rich McKay today for the same post. If that meeting does in fact take place, it would be a telltale sign the romance and flirtation with Pioli has ended. The Browns also want to meet with recently fired Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, according to a report on the Cleveland Plain Dealer’s Web site. That adds another interesting wrinkle. Pioli wants full control of the organization, and his first choice as head coach is Iowa’s Kirk Ferentz, a fellow former Browns staffer. Lerner also met with deposed Jets coach Eric Mangini yesterday as a candidate for the head coaching position to replace yet another former Patriots staffer, Romeo Crennel, whom Lerner fired Monday. Several sources have indicated Lerner has a deep infatuation with Mangini, whose brother-in-law is Cleveland Indians general manager Mark Shapiro. Lerner believes some of the Bill Belichick coaching magic still exists in Mangini. Pioli, however, appears to be the first priority. The Browns entered yesterday’s meeting prepared to make what was described by a league source as “a huge” financial offer to the Pats executive. The money might have been “huge” but apparently not everything suited Pioli. According to sources, some of his demands were impossible for any team to meet. Should Pioli spurn Cleveland’s offer, there are still a few more jobs potentially in the offing. Kansas City is one, and Pioli’s on the short list there. The Chiefs have also asked permission to speak with him. The fit, however, might not be right there as owner Clint Hunt is said to be looking for a younger and less-heralded front office executive in the mold of Atlanta’s Thomas Dimitroff, another fledgling from the Patriots nest. Denver is also another potential landing spot for Pioli, but doesn’t seem likely since Pat Bowlen, who just canned coach/general manager Shanahan, intends on hiring a coach first. He has also told his staff he will stick with the scouting staff, which would oppose Pioli’s stated desire for total control. Pioli is out of the running at Detroit. As for offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, the Browns have asked and reportedly been granted permission to speak with the Ohio native about their head coaching job. It’s not clear if McDaniels has decided to finally throw his hat in the ring, and interview for a top job. He’s also on Detroit’s list. Link
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01-01-2009, 03:27 AM	#110
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9363645	I really don't think Pioli is asking for full control to become Team President and CEO, but rather have full control over the football operations. If he wants to hire Ferentz here, fine. I don't know a lot about him, but Pioli obviously knows what he wants and if "Clint" is serious about him, he's going to have to play the game. __________________
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01-01-2009, 03:30 AM	#111
Tribal Warfare The Boom Boom Room Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $362813	Who the **** is Clint Hunt? __________________
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01-01-2009, 03:58 AM	#112
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4160478	Clark Hunt > Randy Lerner __________________ Chiefs game films
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01-01-2009, 04:01 AM	#113
Fritz88 Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $8835943	Say goodbye to Pioli. and I don't give a flying f***
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01-01-2009, 04:28 AM	#117
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01-01-2009, 05:10 AM	#118
HIChief Since '70 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hawaii Casino cash: $10004997	If we don't land Pioli, are there any prospects among the playoff teams this year that might make us a good GM?
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01-01-2009, 06:35 AM	#119
Boris The Great Starter Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	I wouldnt put a lot of stock into Ron Borges here. A lot of this article doesnt ring true with things that have been reported elsewhere. Namely the whole deadline thing, which a lot of Cleveland people say isnt true because Lerner wouldnt have scheduled an interview with Rich McKay if he wasnt going to honor it. And in reference to KC, Borges doesnt even think the Chiefs are a viable option because of his own misinformed assumptions. He keeps saying Pioli doesnt sound like the kind of GM Clark Hunt is looking for, which makes no sense. And he has written in the past, based on his own assumptions, that Clark would want Denny Thum to be consulted on football issues. No one has ever even hinted would be the case, but Borges thinks it will happen for some reason.
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01-01-2009, 08:07 AM	#120
ChiefGator Can these boys not play? Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Northcentral Florida Casino cash: $7502956	I think it is interesting that the Browns are interviewing head coaches and executives. I think that actually makes the Chiefs a more favorable landing spot, although we may lose out on a coach in the process. Seems like the exec won't have complete control there. Is he going to lay off a coach just hired? Here, he gets to shitcan Herm on his first day. __________________ - Mark
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