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T-post Tom · 03-20-2009, 04:35 AM

Raji would make a lot of sense considering true 3-4 NTs are difficult to find.

Riser: Boston College's Raji a big man in draft class

Posted: March 19, 2009
War Room scouts
Sporting News

More than 20 teams spent quality time with Boston College defensive lineman B.J. Raji at the NFL Scouting Combine, and apparently that wasn't enough to satisfy their craving for the best nose tackle in the 2009 draft.

No wonder Raji is seen as a riser in April's draft. Offseason auditions including the Senior Bowl, Combine and on-campus workouts have yet to expose any skeletons in Raji's closet -- except those he collected while ransacking B.C. opponents.

War Room scouts join in the praise for Raji, a 6-1, 330-pound monster who would fit in the middle of many NFL defenses. That's why in their latest mock draft, scouts project Raji as the third overall pick, going to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Here's what they say about Raji: "The Chiefs debate between LB Aaron Curry and Raji. But to make the switch to a 3-4 defense, finding a nose tackle is much more important than a linebacker."

The Denver Broncos are scheduled to meet with Raji on Friday at Boston College. The Detroit Lions played host to Raji this week. And with the Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler at odds, these meetings could add smoke to rumors of a Cutler-to-Lions deal.

War Room scouts still project Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford as the first player taken -- by the Lions, if they keep the pick, or the Broncos if they trade Cutler to get it.

Denver's first pick for now is No. 12, so Raji will be long gone by the time the Broncos make that selection.

Lions coach Jim Schwartz told Detroit reporters his team was doing its due diligence in meeting this week with Raji and Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew, the top tight end in this draft class.

Raji is viewed as a rock on the defensive line, able to hold his ground against running plays. He also has the quickness to be an effective pass rusher.

He was academically ineligible for the 2007 season but made up for that in 2008. He bolstered his stock with an outstanding week at the Senior Bowl.

It appears he put the year off to good use. Raji told Scout.com that he made some of his biggest strides in performance during his senior year because of the progress he made in understanding the mental aspects of playing his position.

"I understood the game a lot more than I did in previous years," Raji said. "I better understood how I was going to be attacked, at pre-snap I was able to get some good reads, whether it was going to be a double-team or how a player was going to block me. So that helped me choose what moves to use."

War Room Scouts' latest mock draft is available online, with two full rounds of picks and analysis. Visit SN's Pro Football War Room for information and analysis on more than 400 draft prospects. Also, pick up a copy of Sporting News' 2009 Draft Guide, available online or at retailers.

This week's Top 10 picks

1. Detroit Lions
Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams
Eugene Monroe, T, Virginia
3. Kansas City Chiefs
B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College
4. Seattle Seahawks
Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
5. Cleveland Browns
Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas
6. Cincinnati Bengals
Jason Smith, T, Baylor
7. Oakland Raiders
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
8. Jacksonville Jaguars
Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
9. Green Bay Packers
Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State
10. San Francisco 49ers
Rey Maualuga, MLB, Southern Cal

htismaqe · 03-20-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

So you think you're more likely to get a good NG at 63 than 3.

Yeah, I can't agree. Sorry.

No, that's ok.

And for the record, a more accurate representation would be that you're more likely to get a good NT at #23 than #3.

My thoughts on defensive tackles, especially free agent ones, are pretty well-known around here. And for the most part, they've been born out on the field.

Amnorix · 03-20-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, that's ok.

And for the record, a more accurate representation would be that you're more likely to get a good NT at #23 than #3.

My thoughts on defensive tackles, especially free agent ones, are pretty well-known around here. And for the most part, they've been born out on the field.

Ok, I guess. I don't know what your thoughts are, and won't ask you to repeat them here, but your thoughts are very, very odd.

Is there a sweet spot for other positions too? Are 6th round punters better than 4th round punters? Are 3rd round ILBs better than 2nds?

htismaqe · 03-20-2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Ok, I guess. I don't know what your thoughts are, and won't ask you to repeat them here, but your thoughts are very, very odd.

Is there a sweet spot for other positions too? Are 6th round punters better than 4th round punters? Are 3rd round ILBs better than 2nds?

I see where you're coming from, and it does sound strange.

But for what it's worth, it's FAR more about where NOT to get a DT than it is where to get them.

Amnorix · 03-20-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I see where you're coming from, and it does sound strange.

But for what it's worth, it's FAR more about where NOT to get a DT than it is where to get them.

I think what you have is a statistical anomaly (lack of success of top 5 selected DTs) based on a very small sample size.

Look, Richard Seymour was selected SIXTH. One pick out of your top 5 box, and he's worked out great. He's really a 4-3 DT / 3-4 DE, but in no way is he an edge pass rusher type.

I really doubt that if we had had the #3 pick that year, and we took him with that pick, he would suck for us.

ncCHIEFfan · 03-20-2009, 03:21 PM

I would luv to have Raji on the team but man it sucks to have to draft another D lineman on the first day. I hope our draft picks will start producing.

htismaqe · 03-20-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I think what you have is a statistical anomaly (lack of success of top 5 selected DTs) based on a very small sample size.

Look, Richard Seymour was selected SIXTH. One pick out of your top 5 box, and he's worked out great. He's really a 4-3 DT / 3-4 DE, but in no way is he an edge pass rusher type.

I really doubt that if we had had the #3 pick that year, and we took him with that pick, he would suck for us.

That would depend on his mental makeup, because I'm inclined that work ethic is the biggest part of the problem. I also think the amount of money these guys get without ever playing a down has something to do with it to.

Richard Seymour just isn't the guy I'm talking about. He's a completely different kind of player.

As for the small sample size, it isn't small at all if you include free agent defensive tackles. The two are definitely related. The guys that are EXPECTED to be premier defensive tackles almost never pan out.

ncCHIEFfan · 03-20-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amnorix

I think what you have is a statistical anomaly (lack of success of top 5 selected DTs) based on a very small sample size.

Look, Richard Seymour was selected SIXTH. One pick out of your top 5 box, and he's worked out great. He's really a 4-3 DT / 3-4 DE, but in no way is he an edge pass rusher type.

I really doubt that if we had had the #3 pick that year, and we took him with that pick, he would suck for us.

Coaching makes a big difference

milkman · 03-21-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wazimo

How about we draft Raji and trade Dorsey to Gunther for their 20th overall and possibly their 3rd rounder? Detroit are in need of a DT after losing Rogers and that guy to GB. We could then possibly move up to take Oher as our RT, or stay at 20 for one of the many hybrid LB/DE's? I like Dorsey but not in the 3-4 (if we go to that scheme). Just a thought.

If a trade scenario with Detroit played out like that, I'd rather stay at 20 and just take Jamon Meredith.

That's probably a little high for him to most, But I like him as a RT prospect better than Eben Britton or William Beatty, but you could also stay at 20 and select either of those guys as well.

The fact is, trading up to 11 get Oher when you'd have three good prospects to pick from at 20 would be throwing away the other picks you have to give up to select at 11.

03-20-2009, 04:35 AM
T-post Tom Threepeat! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Milk/Honey/Gazland Casino cash: $4287293	And with the #3 pick the KC Chiefs take... B.J. Raji Raji would make a lot of sense considering true 3-4 NTs are difficult to find. Riser: Boston College's Raji a big man in draft class Posted: March 19, 2009 War Room scouts Sporting News More than 20 teams spent quality time with Boston College defensive lineman B.J. Raji at the NFL Scouting Combine, and apparently that wasn't enough to satisfy their craving for the best nose tackle in the 2009 draft. No wonder Raji is seen as a riser in April's draft. Offseason auditions including the Senior Bowl, Combine and on-campus workouts have yet to expose any skeletons in Raji's closet -- except those he collected while ransacking B.C. opponents. War Room scouts join in the praise for Raji, a 6-1, 330-pound monster who would fit in the middle of many NFL defenses. That's why in their latest mock draft, scouts project Raji as the third overall pick, going to the Kansas City Chiefs. Here's what they say about Raji: "The Chiefs debate between LB Aaron Curry and Raji. But to make the switch to a 3-4 defense, finding a nose tackle is much more important than a linebacker." The Denver Broncos are scheduled to meet with Raji on Friday at Boston College. The Detroit Lions played host to Raji this week. And with the Broncos and quarterback Jay Cutler at odds, these meetings could add smoke to rumors of a Cutler-to-Lions deal. War Room scouts still project Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford as the first player taken -- by the Lions, if they keep the pick, or the Broncos if they trade Cutler to get it. Denver's first pick for now is No. 12, so Raji will be long gone by the time the Broncos make that selection. Lions coach Jim Schwartz told Detroit reporters his team was doing its due diligence in meeting this week with Raji and Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew, the top tight end in this draft class. Raji is viewed as a rock on the defensive line, able to hold his ground against running plays. He also has the quickness to be an effective pass rusher. He was academically ineligible for the 2007 season but made up for that in 2008. He bolstered his stock with an outstanding week at the Senior Bowl. It appears he put the year off to good use. Raji told Scout.com that he made some of his biggest strides in performance during his senior year because of the progress he made in understanding the mental aspects of playing his position. "I understood the game a lot more than I did in previous years," Raji said. "I better understood how I was going to be attacked, at pre-snap I was able to get some good reads, whether it was going to be a double-team or how a player was going to block me. So that helped me choose what moves to use." War Room Scouts' latest mock draft is available online, with two full rounds of picks and analysis. Visit SN's Pro Football War Room for information and analysis on more than 400 draft prospects. Also, pick up a copy of Sporting News' 2009 Draft Guide, available online or at retailers. This week's Top 10 picks 1. Detroit Lions Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia 2. St. Louis Rams Eugene Monroe, T, Virginia 3. Kansas City Chiefs B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College 4. Seattle Seahawks Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest 5. Cleveland Browns Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB, Texas 6. Cincinnati Bengals Jason Smith, T, Baylor 7. Oakland Raiders Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech 8. Jacksonville Jaguars Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland 9. Green Bay Packers Everette Brown, DE/OLB, Florida State 10. San Francisco 49ers Rey Maualuga, MLB, Southern Cal
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ncCHIEFfan Starter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Winston Salem, NC Casino cash: $8412075	I would luv to have Raji on the team but man it sucks to have to draft another D lineman on the first day. I hope our draft picks will start producing.
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