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Old 07-22-2009, 07:26 AM  
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Chiefs record the next 3 years. Your call.
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Some of Pioli's draft picks concern me but its a "In Pioli we trust" mentality for me right now. I just can't believe that all that success in NE was because of Bellicheck. I like his mentality and approach, so far.

Haley conerced me because he was the NFL flavor of the month after the Super Bowl but after I read more about that guy, he just might work out after all. Pioli rode with the guy on road trips to scout players, worked with him as a coach, got to know him as a person and evaluate his coaching knowledge way before this level. Pioli picked him, so that enough for me, right now. He's defintely got the NFL background. How cool would that have been to watch pre-draft film of Lynn Swan at 11 years old with your Dad. We tried having a "players" coach. That didn't work out so well. Why not give a Parcells disciple and disipline approach a try?

sorry if a repost, but its the offseason so if your ticked off...
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:35 PM   #106
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:51 PM   #107
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Really, when you say these things, it makes me think you haven't watched Cassel much, if at all.
I watched every NE game that wasn't played at the same time the Chiefs were playing.

I'd love to know what I said that you think is false.

Derek Anderson must have "proved" a lot to you in 2007, with a lessor supporting cast and lessor coaching staff.

Christ, people here weren't excited about Cassel when the subject was brought up before the trade took place, but now people think he's Tom Brady Part II.

He has a TON to prove.
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:54 PM   #108
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Absolutely ridiculous.

For one thing he's already proven he can read NFL defenses...
REALLY?

That's like saying that Tyler Thigpen has proven he can read a defense.

Playing from the shotgun gives you a monumental advantage in doing so pre snap, not having to drop and re-read, etc.

The amount of time he held the ball, even with those advantages tells me it's not his strong suit.

Sorry, I'm just not going to suck the guy off just because he was successful surrounded by talent and excellent coaching, and was hand-picked by Pioli.

He has to prove to me that 2008 wasn't a fluke.
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:56 PM   #109
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Of course Cassel has a lot to prove. This is an entirely different situation as compared to NE. Entirely different.

Still, NFL experience (even a little) is a huge advantage over collegiate experience. Talent being equal, merely holding a clipboard in the NFL give you a leg up on a rookie.

Here's the rub, though ... Cassel didn't gain a whole lot in the form of collegiate experience either.

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Old 07-22-2009, 02:56 PM   #110
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Some people won't give the guy any credit until he produces multiple Super Bowl wins in KC.
I'll settle for winning a playoff game or two, even though the organization is investing the time and money expecting a Lombardi Trophy.
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:59 PM   #112
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True OTWP. Just getting to the playoffs is going to be a task. We could still be sitting at 8-8 two or three years down the road. I just hope this year isn't a total wreck screwing Cassel up, etc.
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:59 PM   #113
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Of course Cassel has a lot to prove. This is an entirely different situation as compared to NE. Entirely different.

Still, NFL experience (even a little) is a huge advantage over collegiate experience. Talent being equal, merely holding a clipboard in the NFL give you a leg up on a rookie.

Here's the rub, though ... Cassel didn't gain a whole lot in the form of collegiate experience either.

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Exactly my point.

He's not Aaron Rodgers, who started 2 years in college and played at a high level, THEN sat for several years.
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:03 PM   #114
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REALLY?

That's like saying that Tyler Thigpen has proven he can read a defense.

Playing from the shotgun gives you a monumental advantage in doing so pre snap, not having to drop and re-read, etc.

The amount of time he held the ball, even with those advantages tells me it's not his strong suit.

Sorry, I'm just not going to suck the guy off just because he was successful surrounded by talent and excellent coaching, and was hand-picked by Pioli.

He has to prove to me that 2008 wasn't a fluke.
Worry thyself no more, Mr. OnTheWarpath58.

There are two super important things to which a new NFL QB must acclimate himself; NFL speed and the complexity of the defenses. It takes a long time for a quarterback to get used to those things. The true advantage that Cassel has is that, even though he hasn't seen a lot of starts, he's practiced against NE's defense. Pioli's watched him deal with those aspects of the game and is comfortable with his choice. That really is important and we should take comfort in that fact.

Plus, Cassel's taken some hits from some really, really big guys and lived to talk about it. That's good, too.

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Old 07-22-2009, 03:05 PM   #115
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Worry thyself no more, Mr. OnTheWarpath58.

There are two super important things to which a new NFL QB must acclimate himself; NFL speed and the complexity of the defenses. It takes a long time for a quarterback to get used to those things. The true advantage that Cassel has is that, even though he hasn't seen a lot of starts, he's practiced against NE's defense. Pioli's watched him deal with those aspects of the game and is comfortable with his choice. That really is important and we should take comfort in that fact.

Plus, Cassel's taken some hits from some really, really big guys and lived to talk about it. That's good, too.

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Old 07-22-2009, 03:07 PM   #116
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I'm expecting a 6-10ish record this year, but I also won't be surprised at 8-8 and second in the division. With the dreck they put on the field last year they could have gone 8-8 if certain people would have played 4 quarters.
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Old 07-22-2009, 03:41 PM   #117
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I'll settle for winning a playoff game or two, even though the organization is investing the time and money expecting a Lombardi Trophy.
glad to see that your lofty expectations have gotten a little more grounded lately
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glad to see that your lofty expectations have gotten a little more grounded lately
They haven't.

I fully expect a franchise QB to win a SB in his career.

I'm not yet sold on Cassel being a franchise QB just yet. Like I've said before, he needs to prove last year wasn't a fluke. Getting a few playoff wins would be a good start.

Just because he's getting paid like a franchise QB doesn't mean he'll play like one.
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Old 07-22-2009, 04:49 PM   #120
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