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Old 11-04-2010, 03:09 PM  
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Collinsworth and Simms debate Matt Cassel
I can't believe Simms said some of the things he said.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:49 PM   #106
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A coach is never going to set his player up for failure. Never. They're going to do everything they can to put him in a position to succeed. Even if that means lowering the expectations.

They know exactly what Cassel is capable of. There is no "finding out" if he can do it. If he could, they'd be doing it. It's really that simple.
Cassel can make more throws that the ones they're asking of him. If this is the most he can do...then why start him? I'm sure Croyle can do more then. And if Croyle can't do more, then we have the worst QB situation in history.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:50 PM   #107
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Yeah I LOL'd @ "he has a great arm" I mean JFC.
He said "GOOD" arm. Not great.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:51 PM   #109
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If Cassel's biggest problem is his confidence like some here like Milkman say, then the throws he's asked to do aren't going to do anything to raise his confidence.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:52 PM   #111
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Cassel can make more throws that the ones they're asking of him. If this is the most he can do...then why start him? I'm sure Croyle can do more then. And if Croyle can't do more, then we have the worst QB situation in history.
I don't think it's the "throws", Mr. KcChiefsKing. I think it's the decision-making and pocket awareness that's the problem. They have to get the ball out of his hands pronto in order to simplify the game for him ... that's my take, anyhow.

He doesn't seem to possess the ability to stand in the pocket, go through progressions, find the open man, and throw the ball ... in that order. Now that I think on it, it's basically backwards, actually.

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Old 11-04-2010, 04:52 PM   #112
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His arm is still pretty average.
I didn't believe his arm strength was average heading into this year. That was my point...

And I think maybe there's too much attention given to that. You can do well with an average arm, if you possess certain other intangibles. That's where the questions arise for me. He's shown a few of them - he'll take hits, he'll play hurt, his teammates appear to be behind him (that was a big question for me heading into the season), but at the end of the day can he make that key play?

I just don't know. He hasn't so far.
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:54 PM   #113
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Cassel can make more throws that the ones they're asking of him. If this is the most he can do...then why start him? I'm sure Croyle can do more then. And if Croyle can't do more, then we have the worst QB situation in history.
Yes he can. We've seen it. But he can't do it consistently. His accuracy issues make it an exponentially bigger gamble the longer the distance.

And I imagine in the coach's eyes, it's not just as easy as pulling him and plugging in Croyle. There's a thousand other factors that would come into play. And why push it at this point? Why rock the boat when we're winning and leading the division? They're making what they've got work, and Cassel isn't slowing the boat down. He sure as shit isn't paddling very hard, but he's not at anchor at the moment.
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I didn't believe his arm strength was average heading into this year. That was my point...

And I think maybe there's too much attention given to that. You can do well with an average arm, if you possess certain other intangibles. That's where the questions arise for me. He's shown a few of them - he'll take hits, he'll play hurt, his teammates appear to be behind him (that was a big question for me heading into the season), but at the end of the day can he make that key play?

I just don't know. He hasn't so far.
Learned alot about him on the final two FG drives in OT of the Buffalo game...

Probably the best two drives out of him this year.... Considering the pressure...
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Old 11-04-2010, 04:59 PM   #116
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They have to get the ball out of his hands pronto in order to simplify the game for him ... that's my take, anyhow.
That's not necessarily a safe assumption to make. That seems to be a league-wide trend now, the short passing game. Elements of the college spread have definitely been seeded into the pro game. Everybody's doing it.

Take last week, for instance. When Buffalo went to quick passing in the second half, was it because Fitzgerald doesn't have the ability to make his reads, or was it because Tamba Hali was bowling over the right tackle like he wasn't even there? Or was it because they saw something in the defense they could exploit?

Maybe they are trying to simplify the game for him (talking about the Chiefs now). Maybe they're trying to help the offensive line. Maybe they're just using the short passing game as an extension of the team's strength, the run game. Maybe it's a combination of all that.

Hell, maybe they're not passing because they believe they can win without it.

It's really hard to tell...
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Learned alot about him on the final two FG drives in OT of the Buffalo game...

Probably the best two drives out of him this year.... Considering the pressure...
Or ... maybe ... just maybe ... they started calling Moeaki's number. And he responded. Got open. Held onto the ball. Cassel seems to feel reasonably comfortable throwing to him.

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Learned alot about him on the final two FG drives in OT of the Buffalo game...

Probably the best two drives out of him this year.... Considering the pressure...
I don't look at last week's game as a positive for Cassel.
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That's not necessarily a safe assumption to make. That seems to be a league-wide trend now, the short passing game. Elements of the college spread have definitely been seeded into the pro game. Everybody's doing it.

Take last week, for instance. When Buffalo went to short passing in the second half, was it because Fitzgerald doesn't have the ability to make his reads, or was it because Tamba Hali was bowling over the right tackle like he wasn't even there?

Maybe they are trying to simplify the game for him. Maybe they're trying to help the offensive line. Maybe they're just using the short passing game as an extension of the team's strength, the run game. Maybe it's a combination of all that.

Hell, maybe they're not passing because they believe they can win without it.
It's not been just the Bills game, though. I don't know the numbers, but the lion's share of his passes seem to be "first reads".

I think it's safe to assume that, if they thought Cassel could "safely" (not throw interceptions or take the sack) go through progressions, they would allow it. That only makes sense.

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I don't look at last week's game as a positive for Cassel.
I agree to a point, It was frustrating as hell most of the game... but in the end they got it done...

I know alot of people said the same thing about Cassel after the Houston debacle...
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