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Old 12-16-2011, 02:51 PM  
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Tyson Jackson is having a better season than BJ Raji
Raji is ranked 6th worst at his position (or 78th) and 3rd worst in run defense. He has 9 stops all year, good for 66th at his position.



Jackson is ranked 10th at his position and 6th in run defense. He has 32 stops, good for 2nd at his position.



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Old 12-16-2011, 07:30 PM   #106
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Old 12-16-2011, 07:34 PM   #107
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I wanted Sanchez, Maclin, and Orakpo.
You wanted Orakpo till Mecca came out with his "toilet brush" crap and then you cooled off on him a bit and I never really understood why. That guy knew a lot about players, but his ability to add it all up and make a call on any player was poor at best.

I asked about everyone here (when I first started an account on CP) why they didn't like Orakpo and "he played at Texas" was the common answer.

Never made any sense.

Guy is a ****ing terror as a pass rusher, owning not only speed moves and GREAT HANDS, but also immense power to bull rush. He also shines in run defense, consistently standing linemen straight up and owning the corner and Ive seen him even lift linemen right off their feet and walk them backwards, even as a rook....extremely impressive player that had every tool you look for in a 3-4 OLB.

At least Tyson is turning into what most in the NFL thought he would be when he was drafted, a guy that started to turn it up in his third year and it wasnt a totally wasted pick like some here thought it would be from the start.

The fact he is our best DL and Dorsey isnt is very telling.
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Old 12-16-2011, 07:41 PM   #108
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You wanted Orakpo till Mecca came out with his "toilet brush" crap and then you cooled off on him a bit and I never really understood why. That guy knew a lot about players, but his ability to add it all up and make a call on any player was poor at best.

I asked about everyone here (when I first started an account on CP) why they didn't like Orakpo and "he played at Texas" was the common answer.

Never made any sense.

Guy is a ****ing terror as a pass rusher, owning not only speed moves and GREAT HANDS, but also immense power to bull rush. He also shines in run defense, consistently standing linemen straight up and owning the corner and Ive seen him even lift linemen right off their feet and walk them backwards, even as a rook....extremely impressive player that had every tool you look for in a 3-4 OLB.

At least Tyson is turning into what most in the NFL thought he would be when he was drafted, a guy that started to turn it up in his third year and it wasnt a totally wasted pick like some here thought it would be from the start.

The fact he is our best DL and Dorsey isnt is very telling.
Tedford QBs, Spread QBs, hybrid ends, etc. There's a reason why people use those as reasons to be wary of certain players, because a lot of times those players have a propensity for failure beyond what their apparent talent would suggest.

Mecca's toilet brush comment came after I stepped off the gas (but still definitely liked) Orakpo. My biggest concerns with him were 1) his late season swoon, and 2) his propensity to get dinged.
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Old 12-16-2011, 07:42 PM   #109
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Well, we now have three independent sources saying Green Bay's run defense sucks, two of which have vilified BJ Raji.

I guess there's a chance they're all a bunch of morons, though.
Let's analyze this a little bit:

I asked you how PFF does their analysis. Your response is to point to message board posts as a way to validate their analysis.

You don't see a problem with this line of logic?
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Old 12-16-2011, 07:47 PM   #110
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It also helps that they dumped their distraction.

Addition by subtraction.

The fact that you think he is good is all we need to know.




Right we should all listen to your useful knowledge. Keep in mind you are the one who continually sucked Pioli/Haley's cocks and we've seen how right you were this year.

You continue to whine like a bitch over a redneck who couldn't even beat out Tyler Palko
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Old 12-16-2011, 07:51 PM   #111
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Let's analyze this a little bit:

I asked you how PFF does their analysis. Your response is to point to message board posts as a way to validate their analysis.

You don't see a problem with this line of logic?
I told you how they do their analysis. They get a team of five to watch each game. Likely, five clones of 'Hamas' Jenkins so they get everything right.

You are seeking to prove Raji doesn't suck balls, correct? It would seem there's little evidence he's having a good season.
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Tyson Jackson has 2 sacks his whole career.

BJ Raji has 3 sacks this season.

The ****ing fail between GoChiefs and BossChief is amazing.
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:04 PM   #113
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Tyson Jackson has 2 sacks his whole career.

BJ Raji has 3 sacks this season.

The ****ing fail between GoChiefs and BossChief is amazing.
We're not talking about pass rush.

A nose tackle who can rush the passer, but can't hold up against the run, is pretty useless in the Chiefs' defensive system.
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:08 PM   #114
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I told you how they do their analysis. They get a team of five to watch each game. Likely, five clones of 'Hamas' Jenkins so they get everything right.

You are seeking to prove Raji doesn't suck balls, correct? It would seem there's little evidence he's having a good season.
No, I'm seeking to understand why "PFF says" becomes the end of every measurement of a player's worth.
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No, I'm seeking to understand why "PFF says" becomes the end of every measurement of a player's worth.
Do you see another site rating player performance out there?

These guys have been doing this for over 1,000 games. The NFL puts stock into their product. They are legit.

You rarely question, say, PFF coming down hard on Barry Richardson, so why the sudden skepticism?
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No, I'm seeking to understand why "PFF says" becomes the end of every measurement of a player's worth.
Because it agrees with a point that he is trying to make.
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Because it agrees with a point that he is trying to make.
I completely stumbled upon Raji's rating by accident. Then I decided to post this thread as drafturbait.
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Do you see another site rating player performance out there?

These guys have been doing this for over 1,000 games. The NFL puts stock into their product. They are legit.

You rarely question, say, PFF coming down hard on Barry Richardson, so why the sudden skepticism?
I could create a QB metric that says Matt Cassel is a terrible QB, but that doesn't mean that said metric is actually a worthwhile tool, nor does being the only game in town make it beyond reproach.

We still don't have evidence that their statistical model (and how do they reach their numbers, BTW?) is indicative of good play. Football is much, much more difficult to quantify than a game like baseball, which is still largely misunderstood by the vast majority of people who watch the game.

Yeah, we can see things like missed tackles and TFLs, but how does the model treat someone who stays in his gaps all day and makes every play he should but no spectacular ones as opposed to the LaVar Arringtons of the world.

I don't know the answer to that question. It may be eminently fair. But I'm also not going to assume that it is simply because it offers a nice potential solution to a problem.
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I'll tell you why I think it's fair.

PFF's ratings for Tyson Jackson by year:

2009: -40.9 overall, -33.4 run defense
2010: -3.4 overall, -1.4 run defense
2011: 6.4 overall, 9.3 run defense

That falls in line with the consensus around here that Jackson was awful his first year, showed improvement last year, and is playing pretty well this year.

To me, when I see stuff like that (and I could do this with a lot of other players we've watched closely over the years, like Cassel, Hali, DJ, etc), I put a lot of stock into what PFF does.

If that's not good enough for you, so be it.
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Someone needs to start a poll...

With the third pick, the Chiefs select

1. Tyson Jackson
2. Mark Sanchez
3. Josh Freeman
4. other - state name in post below

Thanks...
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