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Old 12-18-2011, 03:07 PM  
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Would the Chiefs have won this game with Haley?
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:39 PM   #106
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Oh I agree.

I just don't see any objective way to think that Haley wouldn't have started Palko. It's almost like he didn't want to win.

But this whole series of events started 2+ years ago when we traded for Hassle so it's all moot anyway.
He may have started Palko. He appeared to be wanting out of coaching the Chiefs and forced Poili's hand. If he would have started Palko, there is no doubt in my mind they would have been beaten badly.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:39 PM   #107
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How many times did Orton have to wait for the play? flap his arms at the side line? rush up to the line without time to read the defense or make an adustment? call a time out because he got the play too late?
How many times did Palko have to do that?
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:39 PM   #108
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Dude, the playcalling was the same. Almost exactly.

The difference was Orton finding his 2nd or even 3rd read (Pope and Becht had more big catches than holding penalties) and the offensive line executing for a guy that isn't a complete was of space.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:40 PM   #109
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How many times did Orton have to wait for the play? flap his arms at the side line? rush up to the line without time to read the defense or make an adustment? call a time out because he got the play too late?
How many times did palko? The problem was fixed. And much of that could also have been due to cassels complete inability to call his own plays.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:40 PM   #110
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How many times did Orton have to wait for the play? flap his arms at the side line? rush up to the line without time to read the defense or make an adustment? call a time out because he got the play too late?
How much of that was Cassel being a reerun? By all accounts they called plays the exact same way today.

Muir from the booth to Zorn on the sideline to the QB on the field.

Do you know of anything different?
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:41 PM   #111
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I see htismaqe's point. Orton's execution allowed the offense to call other plays that would have been snuffed out like they always did with Haley, Cassel, Palko, etc.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:41 PM   #112
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How many times did Palko have to do that?

Twice during the Jets game, although Palko didn't have the arm flapping thing going like Cassell.

And for that matter, how many times did you see Haley try a pass play on 1st down? The plays are the same, no one has installed a new offense, the predictability didn't seem to be what it was with Haley.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:41 PM   #113
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Oh I agree.

I just don't see any objective way to think that Haley wouldn't have started Palko. It's almost like he didn't want to win.

But this whole series of events started 2+ years ago when we traded for Hassle so it's all moot anyway.
I guess I just don't understand that. Haley clearly started Palko over Stanzi, but he only started Palko over Orton once (ignoring the first week when Orton had barely stepped off the plane), and Haley even put Orton in halfway through that one. I don't see any evidence that Haley wouldn't have stuck with Orton had the injury not occurred.
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Old 12-18-2011, 04:41 PM   #114
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How many times did Palko have to do that?
Palko didn't have to deal with it as much because right after Cassel got hurt and the Chiefs has so much problems getting the plays in on time they change they way they didn't things.

Muir moved down to the sideline where Haley could just lean over and tell him to shut up.

Haley stopped pretending that he wasn't calling the plays.
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How much of that was Cassel being a reerun? By all accounts they called plays the exact same way today.

Muir from the booth to Zorn on the sideline to the QB on the field.

Do you know of anything different?
I agree.


The excecution of the plays by Orton was MUCH better.
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How many times did Palko have to do that?
It has been well noted the communication issues the Chiefs had under Haley. But, leave it up to you to blame it all on Cassel.
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I see htismaqe's point. Orton's execution allowed the offense to call other plays that would have been snuffed out like they always did with Haley, Cassel, Palko, etc.
Give one play call that was so different.
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The entire offense was better today

Haley sucked
The play calling was the same. Our qb was miles better at executing.

If anything, we were more conservative. A ton of screen plays. And yes, I think if you called the same plays for cassel, he would have ****ed them up. Lots of plays where the primary read was open but orton coolly looked for a 2nd and 3rd option. No way cassel gets the defense tO bite on the play fake the way orton did. Unlikely he executes the screen as well.
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