Chiefs Hunt willing to trade pick per kffl - Page 8

Frosty · 01-15-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the third round last year?

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the second round last year? (And yes, I know that they "envisioned" Allen at guard, but he was a four year starter at left tackle and played the position extremely well.)

You do realize that they took the best guard (and I'd argue best all-around offensive lineman) in the draft in 2011?

You do realize that they took an All-American guard in 2010 in the third round?

You do realize that they signed one of the top three right tackles in the NFL as a free agent last year?

You do realize that they already have a top 15 left tackle coming into the prime of his career that they could franchise, but will most likely resign?

I mean, seriously...

Taking a offensive lineman in anything above the sixth or seventh round for depth this next draft would be so completely stupid that it might actually redefine the definition of stupid. Blackbobian commentary at it's finest.

Who are you and why are you using Saccopoo's account?

saphojunkie · 01-15-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

All whole bunch of stuff about why we should take Geno Smith.

Great points. Just didn't feel like quoting the whole thing to tell you it was good.

Saccopoo · 01-15-2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OmahaChief

I really hope that someone emerges at the combine and some team wants to overpay for that first pick. We could could afford to pick up some addtional picks and continue to build this team through the draft.

I'm going to have to invest in a new repstick. This one is getting worn out.

Fat Elvis · 01-15-2013, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

There is unquestionably a consensus #1 for the Chiefs:

Geno Smith

He is, without question, the best quarterback in this draft.

As well, there is no one else in this draft that has been as good at their respective positions at a position of impact then Geno Smith has over the past three collegiate football seasons.

Jarvis Jones lacks elite speed and has a degenerative neck injury that the USC medical staff wouldn't clear him of.

Luke Joeckel wasn't even the best offensive tackle prospect on his team and he's coming from a true first read, dump off spread system with Fran Tarkenton Jr. as his QB. The guy hasn't truly pass blocked and will require a huge learning/adjustment curve at the next level. And he's not the prospect that Okung, Long or Thomas were. In fact, I don't think he's at the same level as Nate Solder or Anthony Castonzo either. He's more of a poor man's Matt Kalil. A finesse guy who is going to have to be in a zone block scheme with a solid guard next to him.

Chance Warmack is a guard. And he's not at the same level as David DeCastro from last year, who went #24. And he's not even the best O-line guy on his team, which would be Barrett Jones, who has to have lisfranc surgery.

DeMontre Moore, Barkevious Mingo and Dion Jordan are all the exact same player. Very good, but not Von Miller good and they all have to develop better run defense skills.

Starlite Lotulelei is a very good player. But he's not an upfield disruptor and Ohio State's John Hankins might even be a more versatile player than Lotulelei. I'd even argue that taking Star's teammate Joe Kruger would be a better option for the Chiefs than Star himself. And after taking Poe with the eleventh pick last season, anyone wanting the exact same guy with the #1 this season should be shot in the face.

Bjoern Werner is tenacious and tough. But he got his sacks in bunches and there were stretches where he was a non-factor.

Dee Milliner is a very good, very solid player. But so are Xavier Rhodes, David Amerson and Jon Banks - and one of those guys will be available at the top of the second round.

There will be no Geno at the top of the second round. There will be no Geno if the Chiefs trade out of the #1 spot.

There are a lot of good players in this draft. I think its deep and talented. But no one has been as good as Geno has been at there respective positions, and then you consider that Geno plays the most critical position on the field, then it's a no brainer.

Trading down is going full reerun. Not picking Geno is going full reerun+.

Look. I want Geno. That is my preference. Based on what is coming out of One Arrowhead Way, however, I'm starting to temper my expectations. Tell Reid, Clark and Dorsey your opinion, not me.

**The Franchise** · 01-15-2013, 11:30 AM

FFS.....people have been screaming for years about how you should build the team AND THEN draft the QB. Well guess what ****ers? We ****ing did. It was dumb....but we ****ing did it.

Young and talented offensive line? Check.
RB who can take the heat off of the QB? Check.
Talented WRs? Check. (I still think half of Baldwin's problems were coaching and the QB position)

We have the perfect opportunity right in front of us. We upgraded our coaching and we have the ability to draft a damn good QB. Yet there are still ****ing people that want to keep waiting until the next year for a QB.

**loochy** · 01-15-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

You should really check out the Cards.

John Skelton: 2 TDs 9INTs 55.4 QB Rating
Ryan Lindley: 0 TDs 7INTs 46.7 QB Rating

vs

Matt Cassel: 6TDs 12INTs 66.7 QB Rating
Brady Quinn: 2TDs 8INTs 60.1 QB Rating

BRADY QUINN WAS BETTER THAN THE CARDS QBs.

how is this possible?

mind = blown

HolyHat · 01-15-2013, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the third round last year?

You do realize that they took a very solid left tackle prospect in the second round last year? (And yes, I know that they "envisioned" Allen at guard, but he was a four year starter at left tackle and played the position extremely well.)

You do realize that they took the best guard (and I'd argue best all-around offensive lineman) in the draft in 2011?

You do realize that they took an All-American guard in 2010 in the third round?

You do realize that they signed one of the top three right tackles in the NFL as a free agent last year?

You do realize that they already have a top 15 left tackle coming into the prime of his career that they could franchise, but will most likely resign?

I mean, seriously...

Taking a offensive lineman in anything above the sixth or seventh round for depth this next draft would be so completely stupid that it might actually redefine the definition of stupid. Blackbobian commentary at it's finest.

I wanna + Rep all over your face

FringeNC · 01-15-2013, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

There is unquestionably a consensus #1 for the Chiefs:

Geno Smith

He is, without question, the best quarterback in this draft.

If Dorsey and Reid believe Geno Smith is "without question" the best quarterback in the draft, I find it hard to believe they won't take him #1. No first year GM/HC duo is going to pass on the "without question" best QB in the draft. Too bad we can't get a peak at the GB draft board.

If they DON'T take him, it won't be they don't understand the importance of a franchise QB, it will be they don't think Geno is that good.

Saccopoo · 01-15-2013, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by crossbow

In the fine tradition of Kansas City Football we picked another lousy year to have a good draft position.

Really? Let's compare three recent highly touted three year starters at QB's career numbers:

Geno Smith

988/1465
67.4% completion
11,662 yards
8.0 ypa
98 TDs
21 Ints
153.5 rating

Andrew Luck

713/1064
67.0%
9430 yards
8.9 ypa
82 TDs
22 Ints
162.8 rating

Robert Griffin

800/1192
67.1%
10,366 yards
8.7 ypa
78 TDs
17 Ints
158.9 rating

Mr. Laz · 01-15-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting

Why is it so hard for people to understand that the Chiefs arent going to give any information away? You guys are stressing out over nothing. How many more threads are we going to have like this?

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Originally Posted by bevischief

There is going to 100s of them...

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting

Can't wait...

1000's of them ... literally 1000's

each time some John Doe blogger from BFE predicts the Chiefs will do 'xxxx' in the draft we will get a thread cussing out the Chiefs for being stupid ... even though the team didn't do anything.

**RealSNR** · 01-15-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by royr17

Why not, he's a 2nd round quarterback, according to reports Andy Reid is pretty good at developing QB's, why not take a athletic quarterback like him in the 2nd if you dont draft a QB in the first round.

Brock Osweiler was a 2nd round QB, too.

Project QBs are okay as long as they demonstrate at least a faint streak of accuracy, pocket presence, and any/all other important trait in a franchise QB.

Osweiler wasn't consistently accurate enough in college. Neither is Manuel.

There's a HUGE difference between spending a pick on Barkley and pissing away a 2nd on Manuel or Osweiler.

Mr. Laz · 01-15-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by @KCsporting

I wanna + Rep all over your face

Saccopoo · 01-15-2013, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I agree, but I just don't think the FO sees the value in him. Clark has pretty much flat out said that they don't think there is a franchise QB in the draft. I think Reid sees some QBs that he thinks would make servicable QBs under his mentoring, but given the Cards and Bills stated desperation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Reid and Dorsey try to take advantage of them and fill a lot of other holes on the team and still get a QB that they rate in the same neighborhood as Geno.

What holes are you going to fill with a bunch of mid-round picks?

Seriously. I'd like to know.

**RealSNR** · 01-15-2013, 11:46 AM

I'd rather spend that 2nd round pick on Kirk Cousins than draft EJ Manuel. And I ****ing hate Kirk Cousins with every fiber of my being.

THAT'S what I think of EJ Manuel.

Titty Meat · 01-15-2013, 11:46 AM

Guys there will be tons of smoke until the draft. Always is.

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The Franchise Most Valuable Villain Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $2735047	FFS.....people have been screaming for years about how you should build the team AND THEN draft the QB. Well guess what **ers? We ing did. It was dumb....but we ing did it. Young and talented offensive line? Check. RB who can take the heat off of the QB? Check. Talented WRs? Check. (I still think half of Baldwin's problems were coaching and the QB position) We have the perfect opportunity right in front of us. We upgraded our coaching and we have the ability to draft a damn good QB. Yet there are still **ing people that want to keep waiting until the next year for a QB.
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