Chiefs Gonzalez needs to come home - Page 8

Carlota69 · 10-28-2013, 12:00 PM

Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm.

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The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team.

Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over.

Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline.

Do I need to connect the dots any more than that?

There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why:

1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez

The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays.

2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez

The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez.

3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High

I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity.

4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found

I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines.

5. The Timing Is Right

The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits.

6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often

As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all.

7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up

Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that?

Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey.

Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs!

As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mikey23545 · 10-28-2013, 02:36 PM

**** that vegan, self-centered pout-child of a wannabe basketball player right in his fruit bar maker.

There is no greater karma-justice than for that whiny **** to sit at home this January watching the Chiefs in the playoffs on his big screen tv...

ViperVisor · 10-28-2013, 02:44 PM

If Tony was a good team guy he would stay firm publicly and not speculate on being moved.

The team probably needs another guy on offense. The chances of all the pieces staying healthy is not great.

The biggest thing would be the redzone. He could be worked in starting with those chances.

Falcons not taking a late pick that could conditionally move to a 4th with a Conf Champ appearance or a 3rd upon a Super Bowl appearance is idiotic.

Chief Roundup · 10-28-2013, 02:56 PM

I will be glad when the trade deadline is behind us. Although this seems like a good idea on the surface I just don't believe it is a good idea. We definitely need help at the TE position. Gonzo is a great TE and it would make for a great feel good story. I just don't really want him back.
I am torn on Gonzo. I understand that him and many others did not or would not want to work Pioli. I also see that he left this team to go to another that he thought had a better shot at a SB. He got what he asked for. I don't know that I want to give him a shot at a SB for the same team that he didn't believe could make that happen for him in the beginning.

kcxiv · 10-28-2013, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

**** that vegan, self-centered pout-child of a wannabe basketball player right in his fruit bar maker.

There is no greater karma-justice than for that whiny **** to sit at home this January watching the Chiefs in the playoffs on his big screen tv...

You mean him watch the Chiefs do a 1 and done? im pretty sure he's done that once or twice before

**alnorth** · 10-28-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I will be glad when the trade deadline is behind us. Although this seems like a good idea on the surface I just don't believe it is a good idea. We definitely need help at the TE position. Gonzo is a great TE and it would make for a great feel good story. I just don't really want him back.
I am torn on Gonzo. I understand that him and many others did not or would not want to work Pioli. I also see that he left this team to go to another that he thought had a better shot at a SB. He got what he asked for. I don't know that I want to give him a shot at a SB for the same team that he didn't believe could make that happen for him in the beginning.

Don't be silly. It is a great idea on the surface, below the surface, and throughout the core. It's a classic win-win trade for the right price, we'd immediately have a much better chance at winning a championship this year, and it shouldn't cost us much.

The problem isn't whether we want him back, we obviously need him badly. The problem is convincing Atlanta to wave the white flag. Their playoff hopes are almost zero, but it feels like they are going to wait 1 or 2 weeks too late to realize they are out of it.

**DeezNutz** · 10-28-2013, 03:06 PM

Be phenomenal to have a TE of Gonzo's quality. And, hell, there's an outside chance he could come back for '14, too.

mikey23545 · 10-28-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

You mean him watch the Chiefs do a 1 and done? im pretty sure he's done that once or twice before

As opposed to the Falcon's none and none?

Dumbass

jspchief · 10-28-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I will be glad when the trade deadline is behind us. Although this seems like a good idea on the surface I just don't believe it is a good idea. We definitely need help at the TE position. Gonzo is a great TE and it would make for a great feel good story. I just don't really want him back.
I am torn on Gonzo. I understand that him and many others did not or would not want to work Pioli. I also see that he left this team to go to another that he thought had a better shot at a SB. He got what he asked for. I don't know that I want to give him a shot at a SB for the same team that he didn't believe could make that happen for him in the beginning.

Pretty much sums up how I feel.

beach tribe · 10-28-2013, 03:12 PM

Should have flown a banner before the game that said Bring Tony home

gosampel · 10-28-2013, 03:15 PM

Tony should have never left if he loved KC

**DeezNutz** · 10-28-2013, 03:16 PM

Why do we care how TG views KC? I could not care less; he's a commodity, a means to an end.

The Chiefs need to use him as much as he'd probably like to use a team like KC.

**Rausch** · 10-28-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

**** that vegan, self-centered pout-child of a wannabe basketball player right in his fruit bar maker.

There is no greater karma-justice than for that whiny **** to sit at home this January watching the Chiefs in the playoffs on his big screen tv...

This...

**Easy 6** · 10-28-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

The media's been bleating about this for a few weeks now. In all that time, I haven't heard Gonzalez say anything but "I want to stay in Atlanta." Not a peep about his time in Kansas City, not a word about how much he appreciated the fans, not a sound about his legacy as a Chief. Why?

Because he doesn't give a **** about Kansas City. Or its fans. Or his legacy as a Chief. He cares about his legacy as Tony Gonzalez. The end.

If he comes back, he comes back. I'll welcome him because we need him. But if Arrowhead had been swallowed by a giant sinkhole yesterday when it was full of fans, he wouldn't have given two shits.

Daaamn, broke it right down, no way i could've said it better myself... dude has zero interest in KC and i don't have a damn to give.

With due respect to the op, he isnt still elite and he's always been aloof with KC... lets move ahead, Tony isn't winning us any Super Bowls.

Chief Roundup · 10-28-2013, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

dude has zero interest in KC

This is the other part. Everyone keeps saying Atlanta and the Chiefs. Yet Gonzo acts and says that he is not interested in returning to KC. I am sure Gonzo would have to approve the trade. He doesn't have to say yes.

BryanBusby · 10-28-2013, 03:31 PM

People are twisting things that are said into something that isn't reality.

"I want to be an Atlanta Falcon" doesn't exactly equal to, "**** Kansas City, suck my dick you shit fat fans"

10-28-2013, 12:00 PM
Carlota69 MVP Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Casino cash: $9925282	Gonzalez needs to come home Im all for it. yes, we need a WR as well, but this is a TE driven offense, and Alex is better with a TE, especailly one who can help with the oLINE. Obviously a WR wouldnt be nearly as impactful with AS at the helm. http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dbAVA?u...as-city-chiefs The Kansas City Chiefs beat the Cleveland Browns 23-17 on Sunday. The Chiefs didn’t play especially well, but were still able to hold off a mediocre team, lead by a below average QB and win by six points in Arrowhead. It was a “meh” performance against a “meh” team. While every win counts the same in the win column, this game did nothing to silence the doubters out there that think the Chiefs’ undefeated record is more the product of an easy schedule than an elite team. Meanwhile, the Atlanta Falcons dropped to an incredibly disappointing 2-5 on the season. This is a team that was the #1 seed in the NFC last season. This team was one win away from playing in a Super Bowl. They were so close last season, that despite his intent to retire, Hall of Fame TE Tony Gonzalez was talked into coming back for one more chance at a Super Bowl. Now their season appears to be over. Tuesday is the NFL trade deadline. Do I need to connect the dots any more than that? There is simply NO good reason for this trade not to happen. Here’s why: 1. The Chiefs Need Gonzalez The Chiefs offense isn’t bad, it’s average. They are 16th in the NFL in yards per game and 13th in the NFL in points per game. For all the grief that the offense has taken you’d think they were at the bottom of the league. If they are average without Gonzalez, he could be the piece that put’s them over the top. Alex Smith loves to throw safe passes to the TE. Vernon Davis was his run away favorite target in San Francisco. Andy Reid’s West Coast Offense features the TE, that’s why they signed Anthony Fasano and spent a high draft pick on Travis Kelce. With Kelce injured, they could easily fit Gonzalez into the TE rotation. While Fasano is a nice safety valve and Sean McGrath has been a solid find, neither of them are players that defenses have to game plan for. Gonzalez would take some attention away from Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe and allow them more freedom to make plays. 2. The Falcons Don’t Have Anything To Gain From Keeping Gonzalez The Falcons are done. Some will say they still have nine games to go and anything can happen, but if you look at their remaining schedule there are just too many tough games remaining. The Falcons still have to play Carolina twice, the Seahawks, the Saints, the Packers, and the 49ers. That’s six challenging games remaining for a team with a bad defense, bad offensive line, and injured skill position players. Even if they split those six games (unlikely), just those three loses would give them eight on the season. 8-8 isn’t making the playoffs in the NFC. Gonzalez isn’t coming back for another season. Of course the Falcons have said they aren’t trading Gonzalez. Of course Gonzalez has said he doesn’t want to go anywhere. What else are they going to say? Atlanta actually has an intriguing rookie TE that they could give extended playing time with Gonzalez gone in Levine Toilolo. The 6’8″ 265 lbs rookie from Stanford already has 2 TDs in limited playing time this season. They also have another pass catching option at TE in former Mizzou TE Chase Coffman. At this point, the Falcons are playing for next year and Gonzalez will not be there next year. The players that would get playing time in his absence will be. So will the player that they would draft with the pick they acquire for Gonzalez. 3. The Price Tag For Gonzalez Will Not Be Too High I understand that KC shouldn’t sell the farm to get a 37 year old TE for 8 games. Atlanta knows that. They aren’t going to ask for a 3rd rounder for a player that is retiring from the NFL in 8 games. I truly believe that Gonzalez could be had for a 6th round draft pick, 5th rounder tops. The Chiefs drafted a FB that didn’t even make the roster in the 6th round this year. Late round draft picks are crap shoots. Gonzalez is a proven commodity. 4. Salary Cap Space Can Be Found I’ve heard a lot of people say this trade can’t happen because KC doesn’t have the cap space. I’ll admit that I’m not an expert “capoligist”, but it seems to me this could be resolved by cutting ties with Dunta Robinson. I like Dunta. He seems to have a good attitude and work ethic, but with the rise of Marcus Cooper I don’t see anyway they keep Robinson and his salary around next season. I know it will cost KC some dead money, but if he’s going to be gone next season anyway, I’d rather have 8 games of Tony Gonzalez than 8 games of Dunta Robinson cheering on Marcus Cooper from the sidelines. 5. The Timing Is Right The Chiefs head to Buffalo next week and could work in a handful of plays to get Gonzalez a little action while Fasano and McGrath continue to get most of the snaps. Then KC has their bye week which is the absolute PERFECT time to get Gonzalez up to speed. Gonzalez has been around for SO long that I guarantee there isn’t anything in Reid’s playbook that he hasn’t seen before. He just needs to get on the same page with the terminology. After the bye week the Chiefs have their biggest game of the year to that point when they go to Denver. How perfect would it be for Denver to have to game plan for Gonzalez when they haven’t had a chance to see how KC is going to use him yet? Denver’s defense has struggled already and having to defend Charles, Bowe, and Gonzalez should give them fits. 6. Seasons Like This Don’t Come Along Very Often As much as we all like to think that this season is just the beginning of many winning years in the Andy Reid / John Dorsey era, there simply aren’t any guarantees that the Chiefs will be in this good of position again. The Chiefs are on pace for the #1 seed and homefield advantage in the playoffs. Easy schedule or not, the Chiefs need to do EVERYTHING in their power to capitalize on this opportunity. KC has found ways to win and that is commendable, but they must continue to find ways to improve if they want to win a Super Bowl. Gonzalez makes them better. No 8-0 team should be focused solely on the future. An 8-0 team should be focused on trying to win it all. 7. It’s Just Too Poetic To Pass Up Tony Gonzalez is the greatest tight end to ever play the game. He spent the bulk of his career in Kansas City. There are still hundreds of 88 jerseys at Arrowhead every Sunday. Yes, he decided he didn’t want to deal with Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Based on what we now know, can you blame him for wanting to go to a contender instead of dealing with those two? I know some KC fans are still holding a grudge, but I have a hard time believing that if 88 came running out of the tunnel back in KC red and gold that there would be a single fan in Arrowhead that wouldn’t go nuts. Anyone want to actually say that if Tony Gonzalez was dunking that ball over the goalpost after a TD against the Broncos, you would say “I still don’t forgive him for leaving!” This is the ultimate hollywood ending. Gonzalez returning to the team he played with for years to make one last Super Bowl run, what could be better than that? Pick up the phone John Dorsey. Get this done. There just is no reason for it not to. KC players have actually gone on record saying that they’d love to have him back. This is a special team having a special season and bringing in Tony Gonzalez could be the thing that puts this team over the top. Don’t let this opportunity pass you by Mr. Dorsey. Bring Tony G Back Home To KC Where He Belongs! As always, thanks for reading and GO CHIEFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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mikey23545 MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10015321	** that vegan, self-centered pout-child of a wannabe basketball player right in his fruit bar maker. There is no greater karma-justice than for that whiny ** to sit at home this January watching the Chiefs in the playoffs on his big screen tv...
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ViperVisor Veteran Join Date: Mar 2013 Casino cash: $10019798	If Tony was a good team guy he would stay firm publicly and not speculate on being moved. The team probably needs another guy on offense. The chances of all the pieces staying healthy is not great. The biggest thing would be the redzone. He could be worked in starting with those chances. Falcons not taking a late pick that could conditionally move to a 4th with a Conf Champ appearance or a 3rd upon a Super Bowl appearance is idiotic.
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Chief Roundup Admitted Planet Junky Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $1661627	I will be glad when the trade deadline is behind us. Although this seems like a good idea on the surface I just don't believe it is a good idea. We definitely need help at the TE position. Gonzo is a great TE and it would make for a great feel good story. I just don't really want him back. I am torn on Gonzo. I understand that him and many others did not or would not want to work Pioli. I also see that he left this team to go to another that he thought had a better shot at a SB. He got what he asked for. I don't know that I want to give him a shot at a SB for the same team that he didn't believe could make that happen for him in the beginning. __________________ Fanaticism is nowhere. There is no tenderness or humanity in fanaticism.
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