Chiefs My 10 Keys to Beating Denver - Page 8

**BossChief** · 11-13-2013, 08:54 PM

1) Dontari Poe pushing that pocket. If he is able to make Manning move left to right consistently, that's gonna give Hali and Houston opportunities to strip that ball and hit the 5head.

2) No drops. We are gonna need every yard. Every first down. Alex needs to be able to get in a rhythm and keep the offense moving and putting points on the board. Dropped passes kill drives and we can't afford to have that happen against a team like Denver. We need to play a near perfect game to win.

3) Hitting Manning. Over and over. He needs to get hit almost every drop back. Force them to get the ball out before they want to and let our guys make plays on the ball. Hitting that egghead early and often without sending blitzers is imperative in winning this one. It's gonna
be cold and he isn't gonna want to move too much to get the ball out. If we can consistently hit him and make his injury really bother him, we can take over the game in the third and fourth quarter. We just need to keep it close until then. IMO of course.

4) Keep Dunta Robinson off the field. Nuff said.

5) Replace Jeff Allen with Schwartz. Allen just gets beat way too much to keep that starting spot.

6) Move Hussein Abdullah into the starting free safety spot. Manning will be targeting Lewi over and over if he is out there. Same goes for Dunta Robinson. From what I've seen since day one, Hussein is the second best safety on this team in almost every measurable way. Faster, more physical, better instincts, better ball skills. Just a better player.

7) Take the ball away without giving up the big play. All 3 of our corners, DJ and Berry all have good ball skills and we need to take advantage of the fact that Manning will be looking to get the ball out early by jumping some of the short routes. It's gonna be COLD and there will be opportunities for big plays in the secondary...we need to take advantage of those chances. 1 dropped pick could be the difference in the games momentum.

8) Eric Fisher will need to show why we picked him first overall and he has his work cut out for him. Von Miller is about as good a player as he will face all year and he needs to have a solid game against him. If Miller is able to run wild and we need to keep a tight end in to block, that's gonna hurt Alex Smiths chances of moving the chains through the air. Which leads me to...

9) Alex Smith needs to bleed that defense for every inch Sunday night. He needs to be pinpoint accurate all night and take advantage of the defense compensating to stop Charles. We need 300 yards from Alex and no turnovers to have a chance. 260 passing 2tds and 50 rushing would be perfect. A rushing td would be an added bonus that is probably needed to beat a team like Denver.

10) Shutting down their running game without giving up too much bad info for play action passing because Peyton will be watching. Their running game is better than in years past and we need to atop it at the point of attack and not force ourselves to committ too much safety help to doing so. If we can do that we should be in good shape on third downs.

If we take care of those things, I think we have a good chance at beating Denver in their place and being a possible superbowl favorite come Monday morning.

King_Chief_Fan · 11-28-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

I have often wondered about a few thing about attacking Manning. We know Manning is quick to read and release the ball, so since he is in the twilight of his years, we know the arm strength and accuracy is slipping.

Why not give him time to throw, time to throw more mistakes ? Why not give him a true 3-4-4 to look at or a 3-4-2-2 with just 2 LB's in each package? Why not rotate our front 3 each chance we get, as often as it takes for them to give everything they have on each play. We stay in a dime package and make them beat us more on the ground. In the 3-4-2-2, we can switch the corners and safeties around each time he goes to audible. Give him a change of scenery just before the snap each time, make him think more as we are busting the WR's at the LOS, allowing the pass rush to get more coverage sacks, he is not going to take off running on us. Our 2 LB's have to stay home on the run and watch the short over the middle routes with our 2 up safeties.

I may of missed this before, but I do not recall it ever being used very much?

What am I missing here?

and if the chiefs
twist that ankle of moreno's extra hard

Sorter · 11-28-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PGM

I think we should run the 3-3-6 against him

Squidward approved.

Sorter · 11-28-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

I have often wondered about a few thing about attacking Manning. We know Manning is quick to read and release the ball, so since he is in the twilight of his years, we know the arm strength and accuracy is slipping.

Why not give him time to throw, time to throw more mistakes ? Why not give him a true 3-4-4 to look at or a 3-4-2-2 with just 2 LB's in each package? Why not rotate our front 3 each chance we get, as often as it takes for them to give everything they have on each play. We stay in a dime package and make them beat us more on the ground. In the 3-4-2-2, we can switch the corners and safeties around each time he goes to audible. Give him a change of scenery just before the snap each time, make him think more as we are busting the WR's at the LOS, allowing the pass rush to get more coverage sacks, he is not going to take off running on us. Our 2 LB's have to stay home on the run and watch the short over the middle routes with our 2 up safeties.

I may of missed this before, but I do not recall it ever being used very much?

What am I missing here?

I'm honestly confused as to what personnel grouping you're advocating for.

Our dime (2-3-6), provides the best combination of both rushers and coverage players, while providing 2-6 players in the box that are great against the run (Berry, Johnson, Houston, Bailey/Devito/Jackson, Poe, Tamba).

In your scenario, what 2 LBs would stay on the field?

ROYC75 · 11-28-2013, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

I'm honestly confused as to what personnel grouping you're advocating for.

Our dime (2-3-6), provides the best combination of both rushers and coverage players, while providing 2-6 players in the box that are great against the run (Berry, Johnson, Houston, Bailey/Devito/Jackson, Poe, Tamba).

In your scenario, what 2 LBs would stay on the field?

We are short Houston this week and a less than healthy Hali.

DJ & Jordan stays on, Hali can move to a down lineman this game.

We need to send 3 hard rushing DL each play with a 20 - 30% blitz coming from the back.

Keep Manning guessing, switch up the coverage as he audibles, but we must wack them WR's hard on the LOS, slow them down to hitting their route to allow more coverage sacks.

With Berry,Demps,Commings,Abdullah & Lewis, we have several safeties to help with pass and ground coverage.

With Moreno ailing, make them beat us on the ground.

Sorter · 11-28-2013, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

We are short Houston this week and a less than healthy Hali.

DJ & Jordan stays on, Hali can move to a down lineman this game.

We need to send 3 hard rushing DL each play with a 20 - 30% blitz coming from the back.

Keep Manning guessing, switch up the coverage as he audibles, but we must wack them WR's hard on the LOS, slow them down to hitting their route to allow more coverage sacks.

With Moreno ailing, make them beat us on the ground.

Reasoning behind this number or was this just thrown out?

Additionally, in our dime 3 to 4 of our best pass rushers are typically playing upfield. I'm not really sure why you think replacing them with

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3 hard rushing DL

would produce better results.

ROYC75 · 11-28-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

Reasoning behind this number or was this just thrown out?

Additionally, in our dime 3 to 4 of our best pass rushers are typically playing upfield. I'm not really sure why you think replacing them with would produce better results.

We are only sending 3 guys with fresher legs for pass rush and run stop ( providing they get in & out ) , we are switching personnel around after the audible as we consistently hit the WR's at the LOS to delay the route.

How many times do you see coverage sacks with 3 rushers at the end of a half or a game ?

But the key is Jordan and Johnson staying home long enough with 2 safeties up the middle to stop the run or crossing routes.

As for the # of blitz's, yeah, it was just a number, we can't blitz all the time, have to mix it up keep Jughead guessing.

Pasta Little Brioni · 11-28-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ROYC75

IMHO, too easy for the quick outs / ins, WR screens.

Bahaha

11-13-2013, 08:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1454088	My 10 Keys to Beating Denver 1) Dontari Poe pushing that pocket. If he is able to make Manning move left to right consistently, that's gonna give Hali and Houston opportunities to strip that ball and hit the 5head. 2) No drops. We are gonna need every yard. Every first down. Alex needs to be able to get in a rhythm and keep the offense moving and putting points on the board. Dropped passes kill drives and we can't afford to have that happen against a team like Denver. We need to play a near perfect game to win. 3) Hitting Manning. Over and over. He needs to get hit almost every drop back. Force them to get the ball out before they want to and let our guys make plays on the ball. Hitting that egghead early and often without sending blitzers is imperative in winning this one. It's gonna be cold and he isn't gonna want to move too much to get the ball out. If we can consistently hit him and make his injury really bother him, we can take over the game in the third and fourth quarter. We just need to keep it close until then. IMO of course. 4) Keep Dunta Robinson off the field. Nuff said. 5) Replace Jeff Allen with Schwartz. Allen just gets beat way too much to keep that starting spot. 6) Move Hussein Abdullah into the starting free safety spot. Manning will be targeting Lewi over and over if he is out there. Same goes for Dunta Robinson. From what I've seen since day one, Hussein is the second best safety on this team in almost every measurable way. Faster, more physical, better instincts, better ball skills. Just a better player. 7) Take the ball away without giving up the big play. All 3 of our corners, DJ and Berry all have good ball skills and we need to take advantage of the fact that Manning will be looking to get the ball out early by jumping some of the short routes. It's gonna be COLD and there will be opportunities for big plays in the secondary...we need to take advantage of those chances. 1 dropped pick could be the difference in the games momentum. 8) Eric Fisher will need to show why we picked him first overall and he has his work cut out for him. Von Miller is about as good a player as he will face all year and he needs to have a solid game against him. If Miller is able to run wild and we need to keep a tight end in to block, that's gonna hurt Alex Smiths chances of moving the chains through the air. Which leads me to... 9) Alex Smith needs to bleed that defense for every inch Sunday night. He needs to be pinpoint accurate all night and take advantage of the defense compensating to stop Charles. We need 300 yards from Alex and no turnovers to have a chance. 260 passing 2tds and 50 rushing would be perfect. A rushing td would be an added bonus that is probably needed to beat a team like Denver. 10) Shutting down their running game without giving up too much bad info for play action passing because Peyton will be watching. Their running game is better than in years past and we need to atop it at the point of attack and not force ourselves to committ too much safety help to doing so. If we can do that we should be in good shape on third downs. If we take care of those things, I think we have a good chance at beating Denver in their place and being a possible superbowl favorite come Monday morning.
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