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01-10-2017, 07:36 AM | #1202 |
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So Flanny is still talking about Matt Adams:
http://m.royals.mlb.com/news/article...-royals-power/ If he's still talking about it, the team is still talking about it. Could stomach it, depending on the cost, I guess. Not sure what KC has that the Cardinals would want at this point. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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01-10-2017, 07:37 AM | #1203 |
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Oh, also... I'm officially tabbing Chris Withrow as the minor league signing who will thrive in KC's bullpen. Second year back from injury, former first rounder, has good stuff.
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**** it - keep the chicken, double the gravy and throw in some cottage fries and I'm sold.
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01-10-2017, 10:35 AM | #1206 |
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Dream a little dream, shall we? As starters:
Wade Davis 6-5 225 2011 11-10 29 GS 184 IP (5.14 K/9 3.08 BB/9) 4.45 ERA 4.67 FIP 1.1 WAR 91.8 velocity 2013 6-10 24 GS 125 IP (7.68 K/9 3.88 BB/9) 5.67 ERA 4.28 FIP 1.4 WAR 92.5 velocity Nate Karns 6-3 235 2015 7-5 26 GS 147 IP (8.88 K/9 3.43 BB/9) 3.67 ERA 4.09 FIP 1.5 WAR 91.6 velocity 2016 6-2 15 GS 81 IP (9.33 K/9 4.22 BB/9) 4.56 ERA 3.84 FIP 1.2 WAR 92.9 velocity |
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Davis was a wipeout reliever in TB before the Royals acquired him. His issue was a third pitch. He just kept trying to make a slider/changeup combo work in the rotation and he never could get a feel for either of them. He went to the 'pen and could focus on the cutter (because it's not a feel pitch so it works great for relievers as they don't have to throw it as often to maintain it) as his 2nd pitch and focus on developing a single breaking ball with his curve. It allowed him to streamline his approach a great deal. Pitch mix won't be what saves Karns, IMO. His fastball/curveball/changeup combination would be fine if he had any command of it at all. And while he hasn't spent a lot of time in the 'pen, he's actually been worse out there than he has been as a starter. Nothing's concrete but this isn't a Davis situation. Davis was a guy who the Royals knew from the very beginning would be a nails reliever if he couldn't start because he'd demonstrated it. Karns, OTOH, doesn't have that safety net. He may succeed as a reliever but there's no sense in presuming that he will. Command issues will hurt you in relief every bit as badly as they will as a starter and the ol' 'let it all hang out' attitude as a reliever doesn't help you much in that regard either. Dude has to get his mechanics ironed out or he's not of any use to anyone.
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01-10-2017, 11:48 AM | #1209 |
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I'll stipulate we knew Davis was a shutdown closer, whereas we don't know that about Karns.
Looking at the PitchFX data, it seems their biggest difference is Wade's high values on his FB, whereas Karns has a negative value (which is weird given his velocity). Wade's cutter actually ranked equal to Karns' curveball in value last 2 seasons. Where I will strongly disagree is he has "no use to anyone" in his current state. Filtering pitchers with 200+ IP the last 2 seasons, Karns ranks #20 in K/9 rate out of 126 pitchers (sandwiched between Jacob DeGrom and Mr Kate Upton). That's some serious effectiveness putting AL hitters down. Here's who he looks an awful bit alike so far (age notwithstanding): Karns 9.17 K/9 3.77 BB/9 12.2 FB/HR 4.07 FIP Rodon 9.08 K/9 3.70 BB/9 12.2 FB/HR 3.95 FIP |
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'No use' is harsh because 5th starters are worth $10 million on the open market these days. So if nothing else, you can run him out there to eat up 180 innings and be generally passable for a hell of a lot less than you'd spend on the open market. But being a warm body isn't exactly high praise.
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01-10-2017, 12:06 PM | #1211 |
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His K rate ranks just ahead of: Verlander, Rodon, Smyly, David Price, Hamels, Arrieta and Lester. (His BB rate is obv worse). FG actually has an article (LINK) today on Karns suggesting his fastball spin rate declined precipitously when he got hurt last year.
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01-10-2017, 12:12 PM | #1213 |
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Karns key is getting his control back to what it was in 2015 and early in 2016.
He strikes out enough hitters to be a quality no 3/4 starter if his walk rate is in the low to mid 3s/9. Eiland has had pretty good success with that profile. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Travis Kelce is actually as good as his reputation.
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