Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[Hammock Parties]

Alex Smith isn't Matt Cassel.

But the results they provide are the same.

[ratchet]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

it is an upgrade, no one has denied this

but its not ENOUGH of an upgrade to justify the blown draft picks and using the #1 overall on a Tackle....

WHy not just pay brandon albert, get that deal DONE and use the pick on something awesome....?

Matt Flynn was available for a 5th rounder if we needed a stop gap

hell i bet we couldve got ALex Smith for a 3rd rounder if we didnt act like a 30 year old virgin sniffing panties for the 1st time

while i agree that 2 2nd rounders is too much compensation for smith i don't see eye to eye with you when u say smith is just a stop gap. To me, he is a possible future franchise qb who has what it takes to move the chains and win many games or if he reverts towards his old ways, a stop gap qb. Heck even if we got exactly what he did in sf i would consider him way more than a stop gap but if andy reid, being the qb guru that he is, can squeeze just a bit more out of him as he's entering the prime of his career, then smith can be a legit franchise qb.

We might disagree on that but stop with the stupid matt cassel comparisons. Yes, he looked like cassel when he didn't play well a few snaps but so did every other qb when they had bad plays. You can't pick a few plays out and say THIS IS CASSEL. it's also preseason. please calm down. alex smith before his 2 good seasons had horrible ps games and went on to have good seasons

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by gochiefs(exceptQB)

Alex Smith isn't Matt Cassel.

But the results they provide are the same.

when was Cassel 19-6 or whatever the record is?

Overreaction to preseason games

[ratchet]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

when was Cassel 19-6 or whatever the record is?

Overreaction to preseason games

this.

[themanwithnoname]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

when was Cassel 19-6 or whatever the record is?

Overreaction to preseason games

The 49ers had that record. That's the whole point they had that in spite of Smith more than because of him. Hell let me guess you guys are big Tebow fans because "he just won"?

Cassel was dogshit but he still had a couple of good seasons. 11-5 on a loaded Patriots team and 10-6 on an overachieving Chiefs team (I say overachieving but don't feel they really did, that was mostly Charles, Bowe, special teams and a solid defense, yeah that doesn't sound at all like Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, special teams, and a great defense ).

Its not an overreaction about the preseason games you dumbshits, its that its confirming that Alex Smith is exactly the QB rational and logical people knew he is. You people are the only ones trying to argue that Smith is great (well and Dane but he just seems in his mood of being ultra super anti-anything that GoChiefs or whomever is so its obvious he's thrown logic out the window just to argue with him over everything) in spite of a wealth of evidence to the contrary. Alex Smith is different but they'll get the same results they got with Cassel. It will be about Jamaal Charles, special teams, and defense, and limiting how much Smith can limit you. Different partner but same song and dance.

The most positive thing I can say is that Smith should be a barometer for the team. That's if he plays to the best of his ability, which I'm still not sure he will (I expect turnovers when he relies on McCluster as a target that defenses key on him just like they did Cassel). I'm sure Jamaal Charles, special teams, and/or the defense will bail his ass out some games just like they did Cassel (and just the like 49ers did with Smith constantly). But if Alex Smith limits turnovers then he should allow us to see what we really have on the team, much like with Cassel in 2010. Then they need to find a QB solution and move Smith to his natural backup role ASAP, just like the 49ers.

That's also why there's a big concern. A lot of our talent is getting up there in age, so we don't know how much longer they'll be able to maintain their level of play. The 49ers were younger, but the real key is they dumped Alex at basically their first opportunity (and seriously tried before then even), I'm not sure that Reid will. Then what happens when they finally see he sucks and/or Bray or some other development project QB is finally ready to take over, but Albert, Hali, possibly DJ, Charles and Bowe are gone or no longer productive? They'll be able to argue once again how you need a good LT to protect their QB and it'll start the cycle of shit all over again.

[themanwithnoname]

Originally Posted by ratchet

while i agree that 2 2nd rounders is too much compensation for smith i don't see eye to eye with you when u say smith is just a stop gap. To me, he is a possible future franchise qb who has what it takes to move the chains and win many games or if he reverts towards his old ways, a stop gap qb. Heck even if we got exactly what he did in sf i would consider him way more than a stop gap but if andy reid, being the qb guru that he is, can squeeze just a bit more out of him as he's entering the prime of his career, then smith can be a legit franchise qb.

We might disagree on that but stop with the stupid matt cassel comparisons. Yes, he looked like cassel when he didn't play well a few snaps but so did every other qb when they had bad plays. You can't pick a few plays out and say THIS IS CASSEL. it's also preseason. please calm down. alex smith before his 2 good seasons had horrible ps games and went on to have good seasons

You're straight up delusional if you think Smith is a franchise caliber QB and arguing that the Chiefs should give him a few years to see his potential is, well its why Smith is like Cassel all over again and its straight up stupid. Let me guess you also want to see the Patriots give Tebow a chance to develop so he can take over from Brady and become the glorious magical all winning QB that you know he is. You idiots sound exactly like the Tebow worshippers, you throw reason and logic out the window and want to believe so strongly that Smith is good so you'll preach it all over while everyone else just sees you for the foaming shit for brain that you really are when trying to make such proclamations.

Your whole argument has been debated (and nullified over and over again) on here, so sorry but telling people to calm down when you're arguing the same thing that only dumb shit Alex Smith fans have been for months makes people call you a ****ing idiot. They're not interested in still debating this, let alone with your dumb newbie ass that just seems to be another Alex Smith devotee, especially when we're seeing confirmation that Alex Smith is not improving and is exactly the mediocre QB he was expected and known to be. He's reached his ceiling and there's just as much chance that he turns into a turnover machine like Cassel in Reid's pass happy offense as there is that he becomes a legitimate franchise QB.

No he didn't. He improved from total shit to mediocre while the team around him became great and then carried his ass. Its why they were also able to slot in a 2nd year guy who had never played and get even better results. That team was ****ing loaded and Alex Smith held them back consistently.

[keg in kc]

I don't believe Smith is a franchise QB. But I do believe that Reid and Dorsey think he is. I think he's here at least 5 years, and likely extended in the offseason if he's even remotely adequate in 2013.

[themanwithnoname]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't believe Smith is a franchise QB. But I do believe that Reid and Dorsey think he is. I think he's here at least 5 years, and likely extended in the offseason if he's even remotely adequate in 2013.

I have a gut feeling about that too. I say 3 years though as I think its more Reid, and that Smith will become a point of contention either between the coaches or between Reid and Dorsey. I think Dorsey will see the limitations while Reid will probably deflect it onto himself or say that he just needs more playmakers. I'm hoping that at that point Clark Hunt will overrule Reid and say its time to find another QB (but then you'd wonder if Reid will even stick around). Or maybe the rest of the staff (if they aren't just as delusional, which I think some of the guys like Chilly aren't but they'll probably just leave instead of trying to argue with Reid over it), or hell even Vermeil will talk some sense into him over it.

I do not want to see another internal meltdown caused by a shitty QB.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I don't believe Smith is a franchise QB. But I do believe that Reid and Dorsey think he is. I think he's here at least 5 years, and likely extended in the offseason if he's even remotely adequate in 2013.

I don't think there's a real basis for the last sentence. I don't think Reid and Dorsey are in the business of rewarding mediocrity. If Smith sucks this year, and follows that up with another bad year, I think they move on.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by TrueFanDave

Hey, in 10 years we get to trade for Kaepernick.

Ha, I doubt Cap's even still in the league in 10 years.

Unless he's a backup in Miami...

[Sandy Vagina]

Reid likely sees Alex as a franchise QB that has been unnecessarily protected (limited) by Harbaugh's conservative approach in building up his NFL offense. If Reid and Dorsey saw Alex as only a stop-gap serviceable QB, they wouldn't have given up so much to get him.

Now is Alex a QB that needs to be heavily protected and limited? Well, that is a fair question at this point... and the answer will be determined soon. We can all take our guesses in an effort to "be right on a message board".. but in the end, we are all couch potatoes that don't get paid to puff out our chests like we are pro evaluators.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

...the real key is they dumped Alex at basically their first opportunity (and seriously tried before then even)...

If Reid had inquired about Smith's availability on more than one occaision as Eagles' head coach (as had been reported), then Smith would be an Eagle right now, if the above statement were true.

Sounds like you're just making stuff up to suit your agenda.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I don't think there's a real basis for the last sentence. I don't think Reid and Dorsey are in the business of rewarding mediocrity. If Smith sucks this year, and follows that up with another bad year, I think they move on.

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[Mav]

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

You're straight up delusional if you think Smith is a franchise caliber QB and arguing that the Chiefs should give him a few years to see his potential is, well its why Smith is like Cassel all over again and its straight up stupid. Let me guess you also want to see the Patriots give Tebow a chance to develop so he can take over from Brady and become the glorious magical all winning QB that you know he is. You idiots sound exactly like the Tebow worshippers, you throw reason and logic out the window and want to believe so strongly that Smith is good so you'll preach it all over while everyone else just sees you for the foaming shit for brain that you really are when trying to make such proclamations.

Your whole argument has been debated (and nullified over and over again) on here, so sorry but telling people to calm down when you're arguing the same thing that only dumb shit Alex Smith fans have been for months makes people call you a ****ing idiot. They're not interested in still debating this, let alone with your dumb newbie ass that just seems to be another Alex Smith devotee, especially when we're seeing confirmation that Alex Smith is not improving and is exactly the mediocre QB he was expected and known to be. He's reached his ceiling and there's just as much chance that he turns into a turnover machine like Cassel in Reid's pass happy offense as there is that he becomes a legitimate franchise QB.

No he didn't. He improved from total shit to mediocre while the team around him became great and then carried his ass. Its why they were also able to slot in a 2nd year guy who had never played and get even better results. That team was ****ing loaded and Alex Smith held them back consistently.

The offense was in no way loaded. At any point and time. Yes, the defense is loaded. The offense isn't loaded with play makers even NOW. Which is why a street free agent in Austin Collie is being talked about as a week one starter.

Yes, the 49ers lacked the big explosive play with Alex Smith, and Alex Smith is not the qb that Kaepernick is, but to put over this offense like its the Packers offense, or Saints is utterly stupid and false.

Only stupid shits who want to stick to their Alex Smith sucks mantra fail to acknowledge this.

Its why even this year, with Alex Smith gone, they drafted another tight end because they let Delanie leave because he couldn't catch a cold if butt naked and wet in a blizzard, and they drafted Patton as a slot receiver.

No. The 49ers are no way loaded at receiver. Right now, they have Boldin until Manningham, and Crabtree are back, and literally nothing else except a first round bust, Chad Hall, Marlon Moore, Kyle Williams, Austin Collie.

That is garbage........

[ViperVisor]

They got better results with Kaepernick? Not true.

espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/86852/49ers-offensive-drive-info-by-quarterback

2012 49ers Offense by QB

And there is good reason Smith shouldn't even of had those tiny edge in yards and points.

In 5 of Smith's games the team was coasting to W's in the 3rd and 4th Quarters.

Kaepernick it was 2, 2.5
The NE game should of been but there was a string of 3 drives 10 plays and 3 punts by the 49ers late in the game.

The team in the 2nd half was more often needing drives and points to secure wins and the results were no better than boring Alex Smith's read #1, checkdown, eat the sack, Punt, maybe next time.