Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

They got better results with Kaepernick? Not true.

espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/86852/49ers-offensive-drive-info-by-quarterback

2012 49ers Offense by QB

And there is good reason Smith shouldn't even of had those tiny edge in yards and points.

In 5 of Smith's games the team was coasting to W's in the 3rd and 4th Quarters.

Kaepernick it was 2, 2.5
The NE game should of been but there was a string of 3 drives 10 plays and 3 punts by the 49ers late in the game.

The team in the 2nd half was more often needing drives and points to secure wins and the results were no better than boring Alex Smith's read #1, checkdown, eat the sack, Punt, maybe next time.

I agree that statistically it was a wash, although Kaep gives you more impact plays. It's about explosive plays, and the ability to create them. Especially in the playoffs or late in the season.

The NE game was a a great example.

14-25 221 yards 4 TD's and a pick. Not AMAZING numbers.

But if you watched that game, you'd see the way we moved the ball, the way we scored on TD passes.

BANG. BANG. BANG. And we're up 30 on the Pats.

Even with the turnovers, we're not scoring that quickly with Alex, he's just not gonna make those throws.

It wasn't like, "Okay lets's just play conservative and grind it out." (At least at the beginning)

So the stats are what they are. I'm not disputing that.

But look, Harbaugh/Roman has proven that they will run a consistent offense as long as they have a QB that's not completely reeruned.

So at that point the question becomes "When things are not ideal, who gives you the best chance to win?" And I think that's Kaep. He's got more of that killer instinct.

Whether it's the protection breaking. Putting the ball in a spot that's riskier to get that 1st down. Or we're down 17 on the road in the playoffs.

Kaep's that guy that can be efficient, but also give us those impact plays when being efficient isn't enough.

[ratchet]

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

The 49ers had that record. That's the whole point they had that in spite of Smith more than because of him. Hell let me guess you guys are big Tebow fans because "he just won"?

Cassel was dogshit but he still had a couple of good seasons. 11-5 on a loaded Patriots team and 10-6 on an overachieving Chiefs team (I say overachieving but don't feel they really did, that was mostly Charles, Bowe, special teams and a solid defense, yeah that doesn't sound at all like Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, special teams, and a great defense ).

Its not an overreaction about the preseason games you dumbshits, its that its confirming that Alex Smith is exactly the QB rational and logical people knew he is. You people are the only ones trying to argue that Smith is great (well and Dane but he just seems in his mood of being ultra super anti-anything that GoChiefs or whomever is so its obvious he's thrown logic out the window just to argue with him over everything) in spite of a wealth of evidence to the contrary. Alex Smith is different but they'll get the same results they got with Cassel. It will be about Jamaal Charles, special teams, and defense, and limiting how much Smith can limit you. Different partner but same song and dance.

The most positive thing I can say is that Smith should be a barometer for the team. That's if he plays to the best of his ability, which I'm still not sure he will (I expect turnovers when he relies on McCluster as a target that defenses key on him just like they did Cassel). I'm sure Jamaal Charles, special teams, and/or the defense will bail his ass out some games just like they did Cassel (and just the like 49ers did with Smith constantly). But if Alex Smith limits turnovers then he should allow us to see what we really have on the team, much like with Cassel in 2010. Then they need to find a QB solution and move Smith to his natural backup role ASAP, just like the 49ers.

That's also why there's a big concern. A lot of our talent is getting up there in age, so we don't know how much longer they'll be able to maintain their level of play. The 49ers were younger, but the real key is they dumped Alex at basically their first opportunity (and seriously tried before then even), I'm not sure that Reid will. Then what happens when they finally see he sucks and/or Bray or some other development project QB is finally ready to take over, but Albert, Hali, possibly DJ, Charles and Bowe are gone or no longer productive? They'll be able to argue once again how you need a good LT to protect their QB and it'll start the cycle of shit all over again.

yo overreactions happen in preseason. If he does it for a full game or multiple games then you can say thats who he is. please stfu. the half that smith got in the second preseason game isn't confirmation of crap.

[Squatch]

Hypothetically, I bet Smith throws the fade to Moss who was in one on one coverage on the 4th down play in the Super Bowl. Kaep never even looked at him even he is the greatest jumping receiver the game has ever seen. Kaep locked onto Crabtree and never looked back. If Smith was in there, they would have had a better chance at the TD in my opinion.

I think Kaep takes a step back this year.

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Squatch

Hypothetically, I bet Smith throws the fade to Moss who was in one on one coverage on the 4th down play in the Super Bowl.
I think Kaep takes a step back this year.

Bro. We were down 3 TD's. If Smith is in there the game is over.

I honestly think it's 50-50 with Kaep. But to be honestly I'd like to see him struggle a little bit early in the season. See how he deals with it.

[Squatch]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

Bro. We were down 3 TD's. If Smith is in there the game is over.

I honestly think it's 50-50 with Kaep. But to be honestly I'd like to see him struggle a little bit early in the season. See how he deals with it.

I smell the sophomore slump coming.

[9er guy]

I'll put it this way. Last time we had Alex under center against the Ravens he went:

15-24 140 yards and a pick. And he got sacked 9 times.

That team is not a good matchup for him...

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Squatch

I smell the sophomore slump coming.

Well it's his third year sooooooo

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

I'll put it this way. Last time we had Alex under center against the Ravens he went:

15-24 140 yards and a pick. And he got sacked 9 times.

That team is not a good matchup for him...

I personally hope we can swap some of these NFL teams out for local Junior College or Varsity High School squads so he can really shine.

[Squatch]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

Well it's his third year sooooooo

2nd year starting though.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

I'll put it this way. Last time we had Alex under center against the Ravens he went:

15-24 140 yards and a pick. And he got sacked 9 times.

That team is not a good matchup for him...

You are forgetting a WHOLE lot of issues with that game.

That was a thanksgiving night game. west coast to east coast.

Adam Snyder was out that game, bruce miller was out that game, and Alex Smiths best play was negated by a touchy frank gore CHOP BLOCK call.

Im all for being honest about Alex Smith, but they ran through Chilo Rachal like xlax threw a fat woman after a trip to an all you can eat buffet

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Squatch

I smell the sophomore slump coming.

But I mean what's a slump?

Is he going to lead the NFL in picks? I doubt it.

If you look at his statistics they're good. Not GREAT. Save the playoff game vs GB.

He looks bigger, stronger, the team is solid. I don't see how they miss the playoffs. Maybe the lack of a solid #2 will hurt him early, but Mannigham will be back mid-season. Crab'll be back for the playoffs.

Unless he just completely falls apart I don't see how he regresses (barring injury) I feel that same way about a lot of the young QB's.

Luck
Dalton
RG3
Wilson

[9er guy]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

You are forgetting a WHOLE lot of issues with that game.

That was a thanksgiving night game. west coast to east coast.

Adam Snyder was out that game, bruce miller was out that game, and Alex Smiths best play was negated by a touchy frank gore CHOP BLOCK call.

Im all for being honest about Alex Smith, but they ran through Chilo Rachal like xlax threw a fat woman after a trip to an all you can eat buffet

My point was. I don't think against the Ravens I would look to Alex to mount an all-time (almost, ARGGHHH!) great comeback in the SB.

28-3 (Or whatever it was) is a WRAP for Alex.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

But I mean what's a slump?

Is he going to lead the NFL in picks? I doubt it.

If you look at his statistics they're good. Not GREAT. Save the playoff game vs GB.

He looks bigger, stronger, the team is solid. I don't see how they miss the playoffs. Maybe the lack of a solid #2 will hurt him early, but Mannigham will be back mid-season. Crab'll be back for the playoffs.

Unless he just completely falls apart I don't see how he regresses (barring injury) I feel that same way about a lot of the young QB's.

Luck
Dalton
RG3
Wilson

I really don't see him regressing. If the niners do lose games, it will not be because of him.

[Kaepernick]

Must piss off the Chiefs fans royally to have threads become discussions of Kaepernick or of Alex's play as a 49er that have nothing to do with his expectations as a Chief.

CP needs a 49ers subforum or something.

Bad enough to have threads hijacked into Alex discussions. They don't need threads hijacked into 49ers discussions. I realize there is going to be some of that in an "Alex always sucked thread" as he was a 49er for 8 years.

But when you come down to discussing Kaepernick's super bowl play on a Chiefs forum -- no wonder they want us to climb a flaming aids tree on the bank of Lake Anti Freeze.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by 9er guy

My point was. I don't think against the Ravens I would look to Alex to mount an all-time (almost, ARGGHHH!) great comeback in the SB.

28-3 (Or whatever it was) is a WRAP for Alex.

I don't disagree with you.

I don't disagree that Alex Smith couldn't of come back in the Falcons game either.

I was just stating that the Thanksgiving game was a little unfair.