**** OFFICIAL 2013-2014 Kansas Basketball Repository Thread, Part 2 ****

[ArrowheadHawk]

#10 (23-8,14-4)

Players

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Returning Players
1 Naadir Tharpe Guard 5-11 170 Jr.
3 Andrew White III Guard 6-6 210 So.
4 Justin Wesley Forward 6-9 220 RS Sr.
10 Evan Manning Guard 6-3 170 So.
11 Tyler Self Guard 6-2 165 So.
20 Niko Roberts Guard 5-11 175 Sr.
21 Christian Garrett Guard 6-3 185 Jr.
31 Jamari Traylor Forward 6-8 220 RS So.
33 Landen Lucas Forward 6-10 240 RS Fr.
34 Perry Ellis Forward 6-8 225 So.

Incoming Class
SF ***** Wayne Selden
C ***** Joel Embiid
PG **** Conner Frankamp
SF **** Brannen Greene
PG **** Frank Mason
SF ***** Andrew Wiggins

Transfers
Hunter Mickelson
Tarik Black

Non Conference

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11/8/2013 Louisiana Monroe Lawrence, Kan. W(80-63) (1-0)
11/12/2013 Duke Chicago, Ill. W(94-83) (2-0)
11/19/2013 Iona Lawrence, Kan. W(86-66) (3-0)
11/22/2013 Towson W(88-58) (4-0)
11/28/2013 Wake Forest Paradise Island, Bahamas W(87-78) (5-0)
11/29/2013 Villanova Paradise Island, Bahamas L(59-63) (5-1)
11/30/2013 UTEP Paradise Island, Bahamas W(67-63) (6-1)
12/7/2013 Colorado Boulder, Colo. L(72-75) (6-2)
12/10/2013 Florida Gainesville, Fla. L(61-67) (6-3)
12/14/2013 New Mexico Kansas City, Mo. W(80-63)(7-3)
12/21/2013 Georgetown Lawrence, Kan. W(86-64)(8-3)
12/30/2013 Toledo Lawrence, Kan. W(93-83)(9-3)
1/5/2014 San Diego State Lawrence, Kan. L(57-61)(9-4)

Conference

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1/8/2014 Oklahoma Norman, Okla. W(90-83)(10-4,1-0)
1/11/2014 Kansas State Lawrence, Kan. W(86-60)(11-4,2-0)
1/13/2014 Iowa State Ames, Iowa W(77-70)(12-4,3-0)
1/18/2014 Oklahoma State Lawrence, Kan. W(80-78)(13-4,4-0)
1/20/2014 Baylor Lawrence, Kan. W(78-68)(14-4,5-0)
1/25/2014 TCU Fort Worth, Texas W(91-69)(15-4,6-0)
1/29/2014 Iowa State Lawrence, Kan. W(92-81)(16-4,7-0)
2/1/2014 Texas Austin, Texas L(69-81)(16-5,7-1)
2/4/2014 Baylor Waco, Texas W(69-52)(17-5,8-1)
2/8/2014 West Virginia Lawrence, Kan. W(83-69)(18-5,9-1)
2/10/2014 Kansas State Manhattan, Kan. L(82-85)(18-6,9-2)
2/15/2014 TCU Lawrence, Kan. W(95-65)(19-6,10-2)
2/18/2014 Texas Tech Lubbock, Texas W(64-63)(20-6,11-2)
2/22/2014 Texas Lawrence, Kan. W(85-54)(21-6,12-2)
2/24/2014 Oklahoma Lawrence, Kan. W(83-75)(22-6,13-2)
3/1/2014 Oklahoma State Stillwater, Okla. L(65-72)(22-7,13-3)
3/5/2014 Texas Tech Lawrence, Kan. W(82-57)(23-7,14-3)
3/8/2014 West Virginia Morgantown, W. Va. L(86-92)(23-8,14-4)

Big 12 Championship
3/13/2014 Texas Tech/Oklahoma State Kansas City, Mo. 2PM ESPN2

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Won't comment on Smart since we don't know the facts.

I will say I'm reminded of EJ going in for the finale slam at Ames last year for points 38 and 39 and getting booed. The apologizing, which I didn't agree with since those rat fans rode him all game. Class only extends to the player? Bullshit, those fans dished it out all game and hence deserved to take it at the end.


When they took to twitter with their outrageous comments later, my opinion was only reonforced. Screw these loser fans.

EJ didn't go into the crowd and light somebody up. He made a basketball play and I don't think it was even that classless.

Smart shoved some old bastard that was mean to him.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

It doesn't matter what the douche said. At no point does an athlete ever go after a fan ever. Ever.

From a discipline standpoint, no, it probably won't. He's going to get suspended regardless. But it's going to mean everything about how this situation is ultimately perceived.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Smart shoved some old bastard that was mean to him.

Based on what he supposedly said, that old bastard is probably lucky it wasn't more than that.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Based on what he supposedly said, that old bastard is probably lucky it wasn't more than that.

Eh it's sports. It's a weird thing. Old man says shit like that out of the gym and he may get thrown in the river with concrete shoes. But that same thing and worse is said at virtually every game.

There is no acceptance for what smart did. At any level. Dudes put up with that crap night in and night out and nobody goes into the crowd lighting dudes up. No matter what they say.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

There is no acceptance for what smart did. At any level. Dudes put up with that crap night in and night out and nobody goes into the crowd lighting dudes up. No matter what they say.

Sure, you can't go around shoving asshole fans as an athlete, but don't ask me to feel bad for a guy who probably got exactly what he deserved.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

We have Smart's initial reaction (something he's never done before in all the buildings he's been taunted in). We have Smart seemingly mouthing the words "You called me a ****er" as he's getting pulled away by his teammates from the situation. We have OSU's radio analyst saying he heard Smart say exactly that to his coaches/teammates. And we now have the guy himself saying he went too far and ran his mouth on text after the game.

Sorry, but it's really not too much of a logical leap here.

Why does it matter what he called him?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Pants

Why does it matter what he called him?

You serious? I think it's pretty obvious why it matters. Potentially changes the entire outlook of what happened.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You serious? I think it's pretty obvious why it matters. Potentially changes the entire outlook of what happened.

Actually, no. It doesn't matter at all. Nothing changes the outlook of what happened. Do you honestly think this is the first time a black athlete was called a "****er" by a white fan?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Pants

Actually, no. It doesn't matter at all. Nothing changes the outlook of what happened.

You couldn't be any more wrong here and I shouldn't have to explain why.

Do you honestly think this is the first time a black athlete was called a "****er" by a white fan?

Nope. Heck, I've been in AFH and several other B12 arenas many times so I know it isn't.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You couldn't be any more wrong here and I shouldn't have to explain why.

Look, I hate bigots as much as anyone else but it is absolutely not acceptable nor justified for an athlete to get physical with a fan (unless it's in self defense obviously). That's just not something you do.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Nope. Heck, I've been in AFH and several other B12 arenas many times so I know it isn't.

Did you see anyone react to it the way Marcus Smart did?

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Pants

Look, I hate bigots as much as anyone else but it is absolutely not acceptable nor justified for an athlete to get physical with a fan (unless it's in self defense obviously). That's just not something you do.

I don't disagree. If every player did what Smart did when awful words were directed their way, we wouldn't be able to get through too many games. But if this guy actually said what he supposedly said, I can't say I care too much about Smart shoving him. And I don't think that would be such an uncommon opinion among most either. Hence, my point about outlook/perspectives shifting.

Did you see anyone react to it the way Marcus Smart did?

Nope. But do you see anybody saying Smart shouldn't be disciplined for what he did?

[KC_Connection]

Unrelated, but who is everyone's B12 POY so far?

Mine would be Embiid for the enormous impact he's had when he's actually in, but I think Wiggins would actually be the favorite to win it if they did the voting right now...especially the way he's progressed in conference play. Kane or Ejim would probably be right there as well. Smart (especially now) and Staten probably don't stand a chance due to their teams' lack of success.

[Ceej]

Sure bet Smart wish he would have left after last year.

What an embarrassing year for him and the Pokes.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

"Go back to Africa."

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Sure, you can't go around shoving asshole fans as an athlete, but don't ask me to feel bad for a guy who probably got exactly what he deserved.

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

You serious? I think it's pretty obvious why it matters. Potentially changes the entire outlook of what happened.

Not sure I follow what you're saying. You've acknowledged that it is completely unacceptable, he should be punished, he's facing the same environment that everyone else is, and you still think it matters what was said.

It doesn't. It's not about the fan getting hurt. I wouldn't piss on the guy if he were on fire. This is about the remarkable fall from grace that Smart is going through. Last year the dude was fairly untouchable. He beat a really good KU team in AFH by himself basically, he was a lock for the lottery, and after he came back, he was thought to have his team in the hunt for a title, if he showed progress at all he should be the best player in the nation by a mile, and should be a lock for top 5. Now, he's 4-6 in conference, not shooting well, not playing to the level he was last year, has a reputation as a flopper rather than just being more clutch and athletic than everyone on the floor and now he goes after a fan? That is a significant role reversal. And just Smart gets all the credit for OSU success, justly or unjustly, he's going to get credit for the failures.

If he were a hawk we'd all love him. He'll his situation is not completely unlike Brandon Rush. Fact is though he's not a hawk, he plays in conference and the dude isn't untouchable like he was last year.