Chiefs Dexter McCluster will catch 90 balls - Page 9

Hammock Parties · 09-06-2012, 01:48 PM

According to Jim Zorn, who talked to this fan on an airplane.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/9...s-brain-picked

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Zorn loves McCluster, predicted he would have 90 catches this year. (so pick him up on your fantasy wire, I did..)

I'm utterly horrified if this account is true. This means:

A)I will be destroyed in another bet.

B)Our offense will be a joke if McCluster touches the ball that much.

ToxSocks · 09-06-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Doesn't the fact that KC signed Boss hint at using both him and Moeaki in a very very VERY poor man's attempt to replicate NE's offense?

That is unless Boss was signed purely for depth...

Im sure they will be using plenty of two TE sets.

beach tribe · 09-06-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

This is what irritates me about CP. When Baldwin has a great TC, it's "OMG BALDWIN IS GONNA BEAST"....then he doesn't show up in Preseason, McCluster has a great preseason and then we hear, "IT DOESN'T COUNT, IT'S PRESEASON".

People have this blind hatred & bias for McCluster just because of where he was drafted. It's ridiculous. No matter what this kid does, he can't win with some of you.

Why? Because Pioli picked him the 2nd.

Boo ****ing whoooo. Get over it. It was 3 goddamn years ago.

The Midget has done enough this preseason and TC to show an OBJECTIONABLE person that he can in fact contribute to this offense, and by the looks of it, the Chiefs are planning on using him a lot. Anyone with eyes can see that.

McCluster may not be great, but he's not bad either.

If on the field production means ANYTHING....then he does in fact deserve more targets than guys like Baldwin and Moeaki, because he has out produced them and has done more with his opportunities than they have.

But of course, CP will continue turning a blind eye to that because, well.....because he was picked in the 2nd round.

I've repeated this many times. They just can't get over it, and can't get past the negative feelings that it conjures up in them every time they hear his name. Had he been taken in the 4th-5th, they would love the guy, and be dying to see him play this season.

beach tribe · 09-06-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Doesn't the fact that KC signed Boss hint at using both him and Moeaki in a very very VERY poor man's attempt to replicate NE's offense?

That is unless Boss was signed purely for depth...

Not really. Having two TEs is not exactly something that NE invented. They just happen to have Gronk.
Not to mention Moeaki missed all of last season so we kind of needed another reliable TE ya think?

**BossChief** · 09-06-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

This is what irritates me about CP. When Baldwin has a great TC, it's "OMG BALDWIN IS GONNA BEAST"....then he doesn't show up in Preseason, McCluster has a great preseason and then we hear, "IT DOESN'T COUNT, IT'S PRESEASON".

People have this blind hatred & bias for McCluster just because of where he was drafted. It's ridiculous. No matter what this kid does, he can't win with some of you.

Why? Because Pioli picked him the 2nd.

Boo ****ing whoooo. Get over it. It was 3 goddamn years ago.

The Midget has done enough this preseason and TC to show an OBJECTIONABLE person that he can in fact contribute to this offense, and by the looks of it, the Chiefs are planning on using him a lot. Anyone with eyes can see that.

McCluster may not be great, but he's not bad either.

If on the field production means ANYTHING....then he does in fact deserve more targets than guys like Baldwin and Moeaki, because he has out produced them and has done more with his opportunities than they have.

But of course, CP will continue turning a blind eye to that because, well.....because he was picked in the 2nd round.

This post should be met with thunderous applause...but it wont.

We both know why.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-06-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

This is what irritates me about CP. When Baldwin has a great TC, it's "OMG BALDWIN IS GONNA BEAST"....then he doesn't show up in Preseason, McCluster has a great preseason and then we hear, "IT DOESN'T COUNT, IT'S PRESEASON".

People have this blind hatred & bias for McCluster just because of where he was drafted. It's ridiculous. No matter what this kid does, he can't win with some of you.

Why? Because Pioli picked him the 2nd.

Boo ****ing whoooo. Get over it. It was 3 goddamn years ago.

The Midget has done enough this preseason and TC to show an OBJECTIONABLE person that he can in fact contribute to this offense, and by the looks of it, the Chiefs are planning on using him a lot. Anyone with eyes can see that.

McCluster may not be great, but he's not bad either.

If on the field production means ANYTHING....then he does in fact deserve more targets than guys like Baldwin and Moeaki, because he has out produced them and has done more with his opportunities than they have.

But of course, CP will continue turning a blind eye to that because, well.....because he was picked in the 2nd round.

I think even people that hated the pick agree that he can contribute.

I think the issue some have is why he's going to get 50+ targets and cut into the opportunities for better players - Matt Cassel.

You give an OC a QB without Cassel's limitations, and I don't see Dex being much of a factor - because the QB can get the ball downfield to our bigger weapons.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find an OC that is going to go out of their way to get Dex that many touches when he has Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki available to him.

beach tribe · 09-06-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Agreed.

He catches 45 balls, it's at the expense of a better player.

We might throw the ball 450 times this year.

Bowe should get 150-175 targets.

Baldwin around 75-100.

Breaston around 75.

On the low end, that leaves 150 targets for Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki.

IIRC, Charles alone had somewhere around 70 targets in his big 2010 season.

Let's say the backs split 75 targets.

That leaves 75 for the TE's to split.

So unless we through the ball 500+ times - which hasn't happened ONCE since Cassel became the QB - any touches DMc gets are just stealing opportunities from a better player.

He's the 8th option, and he's probably going to get more than 50 targets.

What does that tell you about our offense?

How do you feel about the team this season?
How many wins do you see?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-06-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

How do you feel about the team this season?
How many wins do you see?

I don't feel much different than any other year. We're still trying to play 1994 football in 2012.

The only thing that would really surprise me is more than 10 wins.

I can see as low as 6, or as high as 10. I'm thinking in the end, we're looking at an 8-8 team, partly because we play in such a shitty division.

Should be an interesting year regardless.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 09-06-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

Who the **** is going to leave the lineup so he can do that?

EDIT: Time for a new QB coach.

Bullshit. He's one of the best in the league, and we're lucky we have him.

beach tribe · 09-06-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think even people that hated the pick agree that he can contribute.

I think the issue some have is why he's going to get 50+ targets and cut into the opportunities for better players - Matt Cassel.

You give an OC a QB without Cassel's limitations, and I don't see Dex being much of a factor - because the QB can get the ball downfield to our bigger weapons.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find an OC that is going to go out of their way to get Dex that many touches when he has Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki available to him.

Zorn seems to think that maybe the talent difference between him, and some of those guys isn't as large as some around here do. Who's to say he's wrong?
The guy THREW (not through) like 100 TDs to Steve Largent.
Largent had 33 receptions his 2nd season BTW. Something tells me that a lot of guys around here would feel like Largent would not deserve to be stealing catches from better players if we picked his midget ass in the 2nd round.

Disclaimer: I am NOT saying that DMC is Largent. Don't even try.

beach tribe · 09-06-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I don't feel much different than any other year. We're still trying to play 1994 football in 2012.

The only thing that would really surprise me is more than 10 wins.

I can see as low as 6, or as high as 10. I'm thinking in the end, we're looking at an 8-8 team, partly because we play in such a shitty division.

Should be an interesting year regardless.

Sounds totally reasonable.

Ceej · 09-06-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Zorn seems to think that maybe the talent difference between him, and some of those guys isn't as large as some around here do. Who's to say he's wrong?
The guy THREW (not through) like 100 TDs to Steve Largent.
Largent had 33 receptions his 2nd season BTW. Something tells me that a lot of guys around here would feel like Largent would not deserve to be stealing catches from better players if we picked his midget ass in the 2nd round.

Disclaimer: I am NOT saying that DMC is Largent. Don't even try.

This was also in the 80s-90s.

The game has changed monumentally since then.

ToxSocks · 09-06-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think even people that hated the pick agree that he can contribute.

I think the issue some have is why he's going to get 50+ targets and cut into the opportunities for better players - Matt Cassel.

You give an OC a QB without Cassel's limitations, and I don't see Dex being much of a factor - because the QB can get the ball downfield to our bigger weapons.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find an OC that is going to go out of their way to get Dex that many touches when he has Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki available to him.

Sure. A better QB could utilize those tools given to him. But that doesn't mean throwing hte ball the Dexter is a bad idea.

The dude has caught nearly everything thrown at him, despite his size. So unless the QB missed a wide open receiver down the field, i don't see why throwing the ball to McCluster is going to be a negative.

He's not going to steal Catches from Bowe. Breaston is going to get his. Baldwin has to prove he's reliable, which he hasn't done yet. Boss and Moeaki aren't phenomenal players where you can legitimately sit back and say "WOW, they better not cut into their opportunities".

beach tribe · 09-06-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CJizzles

This was also in the 80s-90s.

The game has changed monumentally since then.

I know. Largent may have caught twice as many balls in today's NFL.

Ceej · 09-06-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I know. Largent may have caught twice as many balls in today's NFL.

Or half as many.

All hypothetical speak, of course.

jspchief · 09-06-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I think even people that hated the pick agree that he can contribute.

I think the issue some have is why he's going to get 50+ targets and cut into the opportunities for better players - Matt Cassel.

You give an OC a QB without Cassel's limitations, and I don't see Dex being much of a factor - because the QB can get the ball downfield to our bigger weapons.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find an OC that is going to go out of their way to get Dex that many touches when he has Bowe, Baldwin, Breaston, Charles, Hillis, Boss and Moeaki available to him.

Yeah, I don't really care about where he was drafted.

But I hate that he may end up being the crutch for Cassel. I also hate the idea of a slot WR running short crossing routes as our passing focus.