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The Chiefs were a joke because they hired an arrogant, incompetent asshole to run the team. You can't blame the team/Hunt for that, as it was thought of as a slam dunk at the time of the hire. It just didn't work. Flushing the garbage fixed the perception issue.
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You're making it out as if the Peterson and Schottenheimer didn't attempt to bring a championship to Kansas City, and nothing could be further from the truth. Quote:
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Carl's stated philosophy at the QB position was to rely upon veteran leadership, and this is not the same as striving for excellence at the position.
And don't say "Montana." |
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Joeckel is good now and for another 10+ years. What's not to get about that?
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Oh, I'd say Pioli's taint is fairly odorous.
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04-19-2013, 01:56 PM | #127 | |
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I agree that they fixed the perception issue, and if they did, then why rush out and sign all of these FA stopgaps?
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I firmly believe they view Smith as a five-year answer. |
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As opposed to leaving those holes open and not addressing them? |
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Drafting Joeckel at this point is like refinancing your home when you have five years to pay it off, going to a ten year loan b/c your monthly payments will be less. Even that assumes that Joeckel will be as good as Albert.
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04-19-2013, 01:59 PM | #132 |
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I agree, and that's why I believe they will fail.
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I actually like a number of the FA signings. Some are awful (Devito, for example), but plugging a leaking boat with stopgaps when the entire hull needs to be redesigned is only going to cause you to have to go right back to fix the stopgaps, and there's only so much labor to fix the entirety of the boat itself.
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I wouldn't say Peterson and Schottenchoker didn't "try" to win, they just went about it in completely the wrong way. Until 2001 when Carl threw up his hands and said "okay, let's shift everything to the offense!" and let his buddy grampa dick run things. Then in 2006 things shifted right back to the 90s philosophy, and they've so far not shifted back. The philosophy being "play not to lose", with the quarterback, excluding Montana and Green, being a manager tasked primarily with not ****ing up.
And ironically, Trent Green and Montana were sort of the exceptions that prove the rule, the aberrant successes in the face of the franchise's approach at QB. Basically with Alex Smith they're doing the exact same thing that's prevented them from winning a playoff game since 1993. They're putting a manager out there and tasking him with not screwing up. They're taking a cast-off from elsewhere (and paying far too much for him, yet again, another franchise trend) and hoping that the team as a whole is talented enough that they can win if he mitigates his mistakes. An approach which didn't work in any meaningful way for them for most of the 90s, and an approach that most likely cannot and will not work in today's quarterback-driven league. |
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Deberg had a Matt Cassel/2010-ish 1990 season, working off the Chiefs feared running game and throwing a bunch of play-action passes a game. It still resulted in a first-round playoff loss when matched up against a team with an elite QB. He was pretty medicore again in 1991. Retread. Montana was an aggressive play, and I won't criticize it. It would have been an even better play if they'd tried to develop a young QB behind him rather than sitting on laurels. Grbac was certainly not elite in 1997. QB rating under 80. Gannon was not elite that year, either. Peterson and Marty wanted to win here, obviously. But their plan was drastically flawed because they tried again and again to strike gold on retread QBs and failed. Bringing in vet QBs to ensure they had good leadership at the position and never were in danger of being out of playoff contention was great for attendance and the team's overall record during the decade. But it didn't help them get to the ultimate prize. The one time they found a retread who actually COULD be an elite QB (Gannon), they ran him off without giving him a real shot.
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