Is Grossman the worst QB to ever start the Super Bowl? - Page 9

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-21-2007, 10:55 PM

I really can't think of anyone worse...who QB'ed the LA Rams against the Steelers? Even Kerry Collins was better than Grossman.

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

To be fair, Grossman didn't face a defense as good as San Diego or Baltimore... both Brady and Manning looked terrible against those defenses last week. I don't think Grossman would've faired any better. He threw three picks against New England.

how many INT's did Huard throw against San Diego?

Just wondering...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

are you kidding me right now?

I said Green averaged the same, if not more turnovers per game than Grossman.

BIG ****ING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 24 AND 25.

hahahahaha

MAN.

Green played every game against the AFC and still averaged fewer TO's than did "Sexy Rexy" who played against the Lions, Packers, and Vikings D's *2, the Cardinals, 49ers, Rams, Seahawks, among others...that's a murderers row.....

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

All I know is 16 is FAR TOO many for a QB known as an accurate, smart QB...

Grossman is a gunslinger, gunslingers should have more INT's than QB's like Green...

Gunslinger is another term for a guy who makes stupid throws but the media slurps his ass b/c 1/10 it works out for him. So if you like being a phuqtard, then congrats.

tk13 · 01-22-2007, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

how many INT's did Huard throw against San Diego?

Just wondering...

That was in Arrowhead. Plus we scored 21 points because we had the short field three times because we forced turnovers. Huard did not play any better than Green against good defenses on the road.

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

That was in Arrowhead. Plus we scored 21 points because we had the short field three times because we forced turnovers. Huard did not play any better than Green against good defenses on the road.

So, in your opinion, Green was the better option for the Chiefs over Huard upon returning from his injury?

tk13 · 01-22-2007, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

So, in your opinion, Green was the better option for the Chiefs over Huard upon returning from his injury?

I don't think Trent was the reason we lost the playoff game. I'm not sure he was 100%, and I understand wanting to play Croyle this coming year... but I absolutely do not think Trent Green was the reason we lost. I think he was the only player on offense who showed up. We had an offensive line that couldn't block, a RB that did nothing, and WR's who dropped almost anything that hit them on the hands. You can sit there and argue until you're blue in the face, and try and be a jerk and all that, but Trent wasn't the reason we lost the game, and I don't think that decision had any bearing on what happened to this team in the playoffs.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-22-2007, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

So, in your opinion, Green was the better option for the Chiefs over Huard upon returning from his injury?

Please, please watch the interviews of these four QBs on sportscenter...b/c if that's what you put your intelligence quotient stock in, you're going to be sorely disappointed when you hear Cliche Grossman sputter about in early caveman.

BWillie · 01-22-2007, 01:31 AM

You aren't going to beat Hammas Jenkins in an agrument. You just arent. One thing I must say about the guy is he can debate, and even if he's wrong, he has enough web charisma, logic, and street smarts to make his point sound correct to the masses even though it may not be. I'm pretty sure Hammas could just argue the other way around for Grossman, and if you were on the other end, it would still appear he won the argument. You just aren't a very good arguer, but I see your point.

I do as well think Grossman has got the short end of the stick by many people. Don't get me wrong, I think Green is much better than Grossman, but if you are talking about giving me and option of Grossman, Huard, Green, or Croyle for next year. I am going with Grossman. For the reasons I mentioned before (1st rounder, essentially a rookie, super bowl experience, experience as a starter, good arm, etc) and then some.

This season, Grossman has thrown the ball 544 times, and been picked off 21 times. Green has thrown the ball 198 times and been picked off 9 times. This means Grossman has throws a pick 1 time in every 26 attempts, while Green threw a pick 1 time in every 22. Additionally, while watching Bears games I've seen them try to use the vertical passing game. Most of Grossman's picks were deep passes downfield, which we did essentially nothing of this year. Grossman has as many starts as a typicall rookie entering his second year in the league. Look at how Alex Smith progressed from his first year to his second year. Alex Smith was alot worse than Rex has been this year. If you put Grossman in the Huardian offense of not throwing alot of deep passes, I don't think Rex would of had as many turnovers. I just don't think it's time to throw Rex under the bus yet, he could develop into a decent starting QB.

Sure-Oz · 01-22-2007, 01:35 AM

Grossman>Green wow, you truly are a green hater. You are so full of shit H00tie. Yeah he got to a SB thanks to a weak ass nfc and a great defense and special teams. Grossman is a joke of a QB, give green the bears line and players this game wouldve been ugly, EARLY for NO.

DT4everaChief · 01-22-2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

I really can't think of anyone worse...who QB'ed the LA Rams against the Steelers? Even Kerry Collins was better than Grossman.

Trent Dilfer when Balitmore won the Superbowl.

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Grossman>Green wow, you truly are a green hater. You are so full of shit H00tie. Yeah he got to a SB thanks to a weak ass nfc and a great defense and special teams. Grossman is a joke of a QB, give green the bears line and players this game wouldve been ugly, EARLY for NO.

Grossman gets rid of the ball. Green does not. The whole 'the offensive line doesn't block for Green' argument is ridiculous. Huard didn't seem to have a problem and he still had the same porous offensive line.

Green was probably one of the five worst starting QB's in the NFL this year. Saying otherwise is simply ridiculous.

**J Diddy** · 01-22-2007, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

Grossman gets rid of the ball. Green does not. The whole 'the offensive line doesn't block for Green' argument is ridiculous. Huard didn't seem to have a problem and he still had the same porous offensive line.

Green was probably one of the five worst starting QB's in the NFL this year. Saying otherwise is simply ridiculous.

omfg, you are delusional

did you even watch the games

Hootie · 01-22-2007, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

omfg, you are delusional

did you even watch the games

If you're talking about the Bears; yes.
If you're talking about the Chiefs; yes (but in much, MUCH, much greater detail..)

**J Diddy** · 01-22-2007, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

If you're talking about the Bears; yes.
If you're talking about the Chiefs; yes (but in much, MUCH, much greater detail..)

you know there comes a time that a man must hang it up, I realize this.
I'm sure Green realizes this, I'm sure he realizes that it's sooner rather than later.

As a decent person you should have a little more respect for what he has done since he got here. If he loses the job in Training camp (assuming he's still around) then so be it.

To bash him constantly like you do was kind of funny at first, now it's like a 2 year old whining about having to go to the bathroom.

Let it fugging rest

ILChief · 01-22-2007, 06:12 AM

The thing with Grossman is that he is so up and down. When he's on, he makes throws (usually deep balls to Berrian) that not many other QBs could make. But when he's off he's rotten. If you say the good Grossman, then yes there are several QBs worse to make a superbowl (Dilfer, Humphries, O'Donnell). If you take the stinky Grossman, then probably not. All that being said, he's better than Green (the washed up Green of this year)

01-21-2007, 10:55 PM
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01-22-2007, 01:31 AM	#128
BWillie El Gato Gordo Loco Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth Casino cash: $1881241	You aren't going to beat Hammas Jenkins in an agrument. You just arent. One thing I must say about the guy is he can debate, and even if he's wrong, he has enough web charisma, logic, and street smarts to make his point sound correct to the masses even though it may not be. I'm pretty sure Hammas could just argue the other way around for Grossman, and if you were on the other end, it would still appear he won the argument. You just aren't a very good arguer, but I see your point. I do as well think Grossman has got the short end of the stick by many people. Don't get me wrong, I think Green is much better than Grossman, but if you are talking about giving me and option of Grossman, Huard, Green, or Croyle for next year. I am going with Grossman. For the reasons I mentioned before (1st rounder, essentially a rookie, super bowl experience, experience as a starter, good arm, etc) and then some. This season, Grossman has thrown the ball 544 times, and been picked off 21 times. Green has thrown the ball 198 times and been picked off 9 times. This means Grossman has throws a pick 1 time in every 26 attempts, while Green threw a pick 1 time in every 22. Additionally, while watching Bears games I've seen them try to use the vertical passing game. Most of Grossman's picks were deep passes downfield, which we did essentially nothing of this year. Grossman has as many starts as a typicall rookie entering his second year in the league. Look at how Alex Smith progressed from his first year to his second year. Alex Smith was alot worse than Rex has been this year. If you put Grossman in the Huardian offense of not throwing alot of deep passes, I don't think Rex would of had as many turnovers. I just don't think it's time to throw Rex under the bus yet, he could develop into a decent starting QB. __________________ Who wants free money? Use the link below to sign up at Bovada, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker and Ignition. Contact me for private deals, spot bonuses, possible rakeback or any questions! Bovada, Ignition, BetOnline, Black Chip Poker: baldeaglepoker.com Bovada Poker is back! Get up to $500 poker deposit bonus.
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01-22-2007, 06:12 AM	#135
ILChief MVP Join Date: Jan 2001 Casino cash: $7904831	The thing with Grossman is that he is so up and down. When he's on, he makes throws (usually deep balls to Berrian) that not many other QBs could make. But when he's off he's rotten. If you say the good Grossman, then yes there are several QBs worse to make a superbowl (Dilfer, Humphries, O'Donnell). If you take the stinky Grossman, then probably not. All that being said, he's better than Green (the washed up Green of this year)
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