The OFFICIAL Brian Brohm to KC thread - Page 9

KC kid · 09-10-2007, 08:40 PM

I have been a member of this site a long time so take it easy on me when I bring up something that has been discussed at length.

I have been a Chiefs fan since 1990. Never once in this time have the Chiefs drafted a first round quarterback that had the potential to be a franchise type player. We deserve this in Kansas City. We deserve this superstar. We endured all the quarterbacks well past their prime or retreads from another team. Deberg, Krieg, Montana, Grbac, Bono, Gannon, Green, and Huard. That is a new quarterback every two years or so. Green is the closest thing to a mainstay at the position in Kansas City. Green is a guy that has played on four teams now. Kansas City deserves to have a QB that is all their own.

All you football snobs can flick up your nose at me and ramble on about the offensive line until you blue in the face. Kansas City has had this element most of the time since 1990. What has it got us? One playoff win in 17 freaking years. We can find some Linemen to get the job done. I understand how hard it is to find dominate left tackles, but it is even harder to find your man behind center. Hell, the best offensive linemen on the Chiefs right now was not even drafted. The weakest link on the line was a first round pick.

It is time to take our lumps and groom our franchise QB. Carl has to understand that the fans are smart enough to know what is going on. I am so sick of our dedication to status quo mediocrity. I will personally become a Denver fan (God forbid) if we sign another retread QB for next year. Here is my list of offensive offensive pick ups:

Leftwich, Pennington!!!!, Grossman, Romo, Martin, Lemon. I am sure this list can be much longer.

That is why without further hesitation I want to encourage everyone to get the momentum going to make the Brian Brohm draft happen. We need to suck it up and rebuild the right way for the first time. Yes, this team is that bad.

Brian Brohm - Kansas City Chief

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

It was a college game, against one of the few good teams he actually played.

So does he not get credit for when he played well against a team like Miami a few years ago when Miami was good?

HolmeZz · 09-10-2007, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

And if 1 game is all you can hang your hat on as why "Brian Brohm isn't that good" I'd say that's pretty damn good that all you have is 1 game.

Because Louisville is playing cupcakes 99% of the time. He'd look much worse playing in the SEC every week.

HolmeZz · 09-10-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So does he not get credit for when he played well against a team like Miami a few years ago when Miami was good?

7 of 12 for 51 yards and an INT?

KC kid · 09-10-2007, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Because Louisville is playing cupcakes 99% of the time. He'd look much worse playing in the SEC every week.

you have no FACTS to base this on. He performed many more times than not agaist the better teams. You don't like facts, do you?

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 09:37 PM

I actually disagree with a lot of that SEC shit...

The SEC is every bit as much bad offense as it is good defense. Tennessee goes out to Cal and gives up 50 points where was that great defense then? When those teams see real offenses they look like they ain't never seen it before.

The idea that the SEC has all these great defenses is overblown...have you watched those teams play offense? It's not pretty....

HolmeZz · 09-10-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I actually disagree with a lot of that SEC shit...

The SEC is every bit as much bad offense as it is good defense. Tennessee goes out to Cal and gives up 50 points where was that great defense then? When those teams see real offenses they look like they ain't never seen it before.

The idea that the SEC has all these great defenses is overblown...have you watched those teams play offense? It's not pretty....

Tennessee isn't as good defensively as they have been in the past. I wouldn't even hold them up as a traditionally good defensive team. I'm talking about more along the lines of LSU, Florida, Auburn, and 'Bama a year or so ago.

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 09:44 PM

I think some of the defenses are good, but a lot of the offenses are bad or uncreative. LSU's looks good this year just because they are heavily talented compared to everyone elses....

Auburn hired a 3rd rate Pac coach to coach it's offense and went undefeated....

No one would think those defenses were that great if they had to face the caliber of offenses the Pac rolls out there every week.

A team like USC, their defense is tested look at the offenses they face. Cal is far better on offense than anything the SEC rolls out there..hell Oregon is a middle of the pack team in the conference and they're better on offense than anything in the SEC.

**cdcox** · 09-10-2007, 09:47 PM

Kentucky W 59-28 19 31 254 61.3 8.19 38 1 0 1 98.1

Miami (FL) W 31-7 10 14 181 71.4 12.93 56 1 0 2 137.5

11/2 West Virginia W 44-34 19 26 354 73.1 13.62 40 1 0 2 127.9

@Pittsburgh W 48-24 21 29 337 72.4 11.62 75 4 0 0 150.4

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 09:49 PM

i don't care what kinda ball you play, offensive, defensive. You better have a damn good QB in the league right now that can lead your team and make plays when you need them.

I just can't believe people are anti QB, we haven't had a QB in what 30 years, I guess some are satisfied with that.

**007** · 09-10-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

They should play him and find out but right now Croyle doesn't count because when Huard starts over you....

If Croyle proves nothing and they pass on Brohm for that reason it will be one of the dumbest things in franchise history.

That will be quite a feat actually. Hard to top Blackledge.

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

That will be quite a feat actually. Hard to top Blackledge.

Watch....they'll play Huard all year. Then when the draft comes up they'll have a top 5 pick, trade down to about 22 to pick in the general Chiefs spot...

Then a few hours after it will be announced they traded a 3rd round pick to the Jets for Chad Pennington. And then I'll burn all my Chiefs stuff and give up.

**The Bad Guy** · 09-10-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you have friends that are fans of other teams....tell them we don't need Brian Brohm cause we have Brodie Croyle, watch as they laugh their asses off at you.

What is truly hilarious to me is the following...

The Chiefs braintrust can't develop a QB to save their lives. Dick Curl, Herm Edwards and Mike Solari have as much knowledge with grooming QBs as I do with rocket science.

Croyle was no sure-fire prospect coming out. He lasts until the 3rd round. He's injury prone.

Yet, Chiefs fans would have you believing that based on the 4 preseason games they have seen of him, which were complete distasters, that he is the future. They trust 3 guys who I wouldn't trust to coach my Madden NFL football franchise with a QB who isn't a can't miss prospect.

They are so starved to believe in someone young that they will accept Croyle and completely dismiss someone like Brohm, who has a much higher ceiling and more worthy of the praise and trust that Croyle has received.

The Chiefs are more than likely selecting in the top 5. If Brohm isn't the choice, then it's just another indication that Herm, Carl, Solari, and Dick Curl are the complete ****ing tools that they come across as every Sunday.

There is no direction. No reason for hope. Nothing.

I hope Lamar haunts all of them in their sleep.

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What is truly hilarious to me is the following...

The Chiefs braintrust can't develop a QB to save their lives. Dick Curl, Herm Edwards and Mike Solari have as much knowledge with grooming QBs as I do with rocket science.

Croyle was no sure-fire prospect coming out. He lasts until the 3rd round. He's injury prone.

Yet, Chiefs fans would have you believing that based on the 4 preseason games they have seen of him, which were complete distasters, that he is the future. They trust 3 guys who I wouldn't trust to coach my Madden NFL football franchise with a QB who isn't a can't miss prospect.

They are so starved to believe in someone young that they will accept Croyle and completely dismiss someone like Brohm, who has a much higher ceiling and more worthy of the praise and trust that Croyle has received.

The Chiefs are more than likely selecting in the top 5. If Brohm isn't the choice, then it's just another indication that Herm, Carl, Solari, and Dick Curl are the complete ****ing tools that they come across as every Sunday.

There is no direction. No reason for hope. Nothing.

I hope Lamar haunts all of them in their sleep.

I agree with everything you said 100%...those 3 would likely just ruin Brohm also. He'd be throwing downfield making things happen and Herm would freak out that he was taking to many chances and "we don't need that many points"

God I hate Herm already, that happened fast.

**The Bad Guy** · 09-10-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I agree with everything you said 100%...those 3 would likely just ruin Brohm also. He'd be throwing downfield making things happen and Herm would freak out that he was taking to many chances and "we don't need that many points"

God I hate Herm already, that happened fast.

Happened for me too overnight.

I was thinking today at work that I think I hate him more than any HC we've had. All his mottos and theories are bullshit. They are 1970's football. I didn't love Vermeil, but hell, at least I felt every Sunday we had some shot. Yesterday, there wasn't one moment after the missed field goal where I thought they would win.

He coaches scared. He doesn't make adjustments. He brings in this shit ass cover 2 when the entire league has caught onto it already. He hires assistants that suck.

Yesterday his gameplan for LJ was awful. LT, Steven Jax and Gore missed basically the entire preseason. You never heard once from their HC's that they would limit touches. But Herm comes out and declares he'll be careful with LJ - and that's exactly what he did. He took him out of the game after 1 carry. It's ****ing maddening.

He wants to go young, but the only young pieces he has are LJ, 2 ends, 2 safeties and Dwayne Bowe.

The team needs a QB, WR, OT, and 2 corners next year. There is no way that they get all of that.

Herm talks all the time about how he's turned the roster over with so many new guys. But those new guys aren't young. You don't start Damon Huard when you want to go young.

I've just really had it. You can only take so much abuse from something you care about before it gets old and tired.

I can't take anymore of Herm. I tried to like him. I had my doubts and defended him on this board. But no more. He's a miserable HC who sugarcoats all his faults, and all the faults around him.

Carl can never think outside his circle of friends to get a real HC that could have saved him in the eyes of Chiefs fans. Carl is like Damon Huard. He will never look totally downfield, he will take the safe checkdown and accept it. Herm was the checkdown.

Mecca · 09-10-2007, 10:21 PM

Damn that is basically it. I think this was the first year as the year started I honestly felt like there was no hope at all. I didn't even get mad when they lost because I expected it, any other year I'd have gone apeshit about losing to Houston.

Herm has taken all my hope and flushed it down the toilet, it's just everything you said and more.

09-10-2007, 08:40 PM
KC kid Veteran Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $10004940	The OFFICIAL Brian Brohm to KC thread I have been a member of this site a long time so take it easy on me when I bring up something that has been discussed at length. I have been a Chiefs fan since 1990. Never once in this time have the Chiefs drafted a first round quarterback that had the potential to be a franchise type player. We deserve this in Kansas City. We deserve this superstar. We endured all the quarterbacks well past their prime or retreads from another team. Deberg, Krieg, Montana, Grbac, Bono, Gannon, Green, and Huard. That is a new quarterback every two years or so. Green is the closest thing to a mainstay at the position in Kansas City. Green is a guy that has played on four teams now. Kansas City deserves to have a QB that is all their own. All you football snobs can flick up your nose at me and ramble on about the offensive line until you blue in the face. Kansas City has had this element most of the time since 1990. What has it got us? One playoff win in 17 freaking years. We can find some Linemen to get the job done. I understand how hard it is to find dominate left tackles, but it is even harder to find your man behind center. Hell, the best offensive linemen on the Chiefs right now was not even drafted. The weakest link on the line was a first round pick. It is time to take our lumps and groom our franchise QB. Carl has to understand that the fans are smart enough to know what is going on. I am so sick of our dedication to status quo mediocrity. I will personally become a Denver fan (God forbid) if we sign another retread QB for next year. Here is my list of offensive offensive pick ups: Leftwich, Pennington!!!!, Grossman, Romo, Martin, Lemon. I am sure this list can be much longer. That is why without further hesitation I want to encourage everyone to get the momentum going to make the Brian Brohm draft happen. We need to suck it up and rebuild the right way for the first time. Yes, this team is that bad. Brian Brohm - Kansas City Chief
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09-10-2007, 09:37 PM	#125
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	I actually disagree with a lot of that SEC shit... The SEC is every bit as much bad offense as it is good defense. Tennessee goes out to Cal and gives up 50 points where was that great defense then? When those teams see real offenses they look like they ain't never seen it before. The idea that the SEC has all these great defenses is overblown...have you watched those teams play offense? It's not pretty....
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09-10-2007, 09:44 PM	#127
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	I think some of the defenses are good, but a lot of the offenses are bad or uncreative. LSU's looks good this year just because they are heavily talented compared to everyone elses.... Auburn hired a 3rd rate Pac coach to coach it's offense and went undefeated.... No one would think those defenses were that great if they had to face the caliber of offenses the Pac rolls out there every week. A team like USC, their defense is tested look at the offenses they face. Cal is far better on offense than anything the SEC rolls out there..hell Oregon is a middle of the pack team in the conference and they're better on offense than anything in the SEC.
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09-10-2007, 09:47 PM	#128
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09-10-2007, 09:49 PM	#129
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	i don't care what kinda ball you play, offensive, defensive. You better have a damn good QB in the league right now that can lead your team and make plays when you need them. I just can't believe people are anti QB, we haven't had a QB in what 30 years, I guess some are satisfied with that.
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09-10-2007, 10:21 PM	#135
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2147050	Damn that is basically it. I think this was the first year as the year started I honestly felt like there was no hope at all. I didn't even get mad when they lost because I expected it, any other year I'd have gone apeshit about losing to Houston. Herm has taken all my hope and flushed it down the toilet, it's just everything you said and more.
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