Commisioner finds Pats Guilty - Page 9

percysnow · 05:21 PM

will give them chance to plea case fri. . see below Donger's post

**Dylan** · 09-11-2007, 11:25 PM

Brady is 7-0 against the Jets @ home... Besides covering all aspects of the football team, the Pats are that much better than the Jets. Who doesn't know that? lol

Exactly how many points did Bill need to cover?

I think Bill should take a seat next to Vick in November. That will teach him...

{{{ just kidding )))

HypnotizedMonkey · 09-11-2007, 11:53 PM

Bill Belichick dresses like a pirate and now is one. Tom Brady should get really upset and demand to be released and we can pick him up like when we got Joe. *wakes up from dreamland disoriented*

Goodell should make their heads roll for cheating like that .. they're one of the AFC's most consistant teams, and now we know why... he's probably feeding them all HGH too.

Duck Dog · 09-12-2007, 03:57 AM

I wonder what other coaches think of this, off the record.

Amnorix · 09-12-2007, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Dog

I wonder what other coaches think of this, off the record.

Off the record, they're all laughing their ass off while making sure their own various cheating methods are better disguised...

Let's face it, the Pats didn't invent this, nor are they alone in doing it. Mangini was "in" on this, knew who was doing it, and clearly fingered him for Jets security or whatever. He's burnt his bridges at this point with BB, that much is clear.

P.S. Yes, I'm a cynic. I also think a huge percentage of NFL players are on 'roids, HGH or what have you.

stevieray · 09-12-2007, 07:07 AM

"Everbody else does it" is a childish mentality that has become a sorry and overused excuse for less than honorable behavior that has been seeping into facets of our society.

**Rausch** · 09-12-2007, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

"Everbody else does it" is a childish mentality that has become a sorry and overused excuse for less than honorable behavior that has been seeping into facets of our society.

As a kid we always avoided doing $#it because "everybody's doing it."

Duck Dog · 09-12-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Off the record, they're all laughing their ass off while making sure their own various cheating methods are better disguised...

Let's face it, the Pats didn't invent this, nor are they alone in doing it. Mangini was "in" on this, knew who was doing it, and clearly fingered him for Jets security or whatever. He's burnt his bridges at this point with BB, that much is clear.

P.S. Yes, I'm a cynic. I also think a huge percentage of NFL players are on 'roids, HGH or what have you.

I tend to agree. Fans may seem outraged about this kind of cheating, while the other teams aren't blinking an eye. It's obvious it has evolved into part of their game.

cadmonkey · 09-12-2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Off the record, they're all laughing their ass off while making sure their own various cheating methods are better disguised...

Let's face it, the Pats didn't invent this, nor are they alone in doing it. Mangini was "in" on this, knew who was doing it, and clearly fingered him for Jets security or whatever. He's burnt his bridges at this point with BB, that much is clear.

P.S. Yes, I'm a cynic. I also think a huge percentage of NFL players are on 'roids, HGH or what have you.

Exactly, seeing how Mangini probably shook the guy's hand a hundred times in the past, it was easy for him to point the guy out.

Which pisses me off even more, why use the guy that Mangina would obviously know?

Amnorix · 09-12-2007, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

"Everbody else does it" is a childish mentality that has become a sorry and overused excuse for less than honorable behavior that has been seeping into facets of our society.

It is no excuse. Pats cheated, apparently, and should be punished in a way that also includes sending a signal to others that it's not allowed.

That said, it would be better if the NFL itself would heavily police these matters, rather than allowing personal vendettas to control whether someone gets caught doing them or not.

Amnorix · 09-12-2007, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cadmonkey

Exactly, seeing how Mangini probably shook the guy's hand a hundred times in the past, it was easy for him to point the guy out.

Which pisses me off even more, why use the guy that Mangina would obviously know?

Probably because, although technically illegal, enforcement is spotty or non-existent, and nobody thought about it or worried about it.

It's funny -- I was discussing with my wife this past weekend how Romeo Crennel might be back with the Pats soon, after the axe falls in Cleveland during or after the season. Drew a parallel to BB's return to NE and Parcells in 1996.

She said BB wouldn't take back Mangini though.

I had just seen an article within a day or two before that said BB was like Michael Corleone, "it's always business, never person", and suggested BB would take him back if he left the Jets.

Well...it just got personal.

And Mangini may have really bitten his hand off here. If this is viewed as a "betrayal" by NFL HCs, etc., then he may have greatly reduced his prospects of future employment if/when his Jets job comes to an end. Pure speculation on my part, of course.

stevieray · 09-12-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

It is no excuse. Pats cheated, apparently, and should be punished in a way that also includes sending a signal to others that it's not allowed.

That said, it would be better if the NFL itself would heavily police these matters, rather than allowing personal vendettas to control whether someone gets caught doing them or not.

**HemiEd** · 09-12-2007, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by a1na2

How about taking the receivers out of the helmets? Why can't a team prepare a game plan and have the QB run it as they did in the past?

Having the coaching staff call the plays is nothing more than micro-management. If the coach wants to confer with the QB they need to call a time out. It worked for years, why should it not work now?

I would agree with that wholeheartedly. However, it would give Peyton Manning an even bigger advantage than he already has. The QBs would actually have to be able to run the team.

BucEyedPea · 09-12-2007, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

It's funny -- I was discussing with my wife this past weekend how Romeo Crennel might be back with the Pats soon, after the axe falls in Cleveland during or after the season. Drew a parallel to BB's return to NE and Parcells in 1996.

I'd love to see this happen.

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She said BB wouldn't take back Mangini though...

Well...it just got personal.

I agree with ya' here.
There's real bad blood now.
It's become tit for tat.

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And Mangini may have really bitten his hand off here. If this is viewed as a "betrayal" by NFL HCs, etc., then he may have greatly reduced his prospects of future employment if/when his Jets job comes to an end. Pure speculation on my part, of course.

Interesting. Things usually have a way of making the other side accountable too.

BucEyedPea · 09-12-2007, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I would agree with that wholeheartedly. However, it would give Peyton Manning an even bigger advantage than he already has. The QBs would actually have to be able to run the team.

I thought Peyton already had this advantage.
I think he already changes what his signals mean too.

**dirk digler** · 09-12-2007, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

It is no excuse. Pats cheated, apparently, and should be punished in a way that also includes sending a signal to others that it's not allowed.

That said, it would be better if the NFL itself would heavily police these matters, rather than allowing personal vendettas to control whether someone gets caught doing them or not.

While I tend to agree IMO if it was personal then why didn't we hear about it last year especially before or after the playoff game?

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