WHITLOCK - IT’S TIME TO LOSE FOR THE FUTURE - Page 9

Hammock Parties · 12-09-2007, 11:14 PM

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DENVER | You hope this wasn’t rock bottom.

Seriously, you hope King Carl, Herm Edwards and the Chiefs have the decency and smarts to save their worst for last, for season-ending road trips to Detroit and New York.

This season can only end on a positive note if the Chiefs get a top-five draft pick out of it and a chance to nab tackle Jake Long or quarterbacks Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm.

Sunday’s 41-7 loss to the Denver Broncos could be problematic. It was the kind of embarrassing, gutless performance that motivates players and coaches to finish the season with pride.

Edwards was angry Sunday. Irritated by the performance of his defense, Herm sounded feisty and prideful in his postgame comments. At one point, he nearly broke into his “you play to win the game” mantra.

No. You play to win the Super Bowl. And when that’s not a legitimate goal, you play to make the playoffs. Once the playoffs are eliminated — as they were on Sunday for the Chiefs — you play to develop your players for next season.

That’s where the Chiefs are now — except they have a special circumstance. They can’t develop Brodie Croyle, Kolby Smith or Dwayne Bowe because KC’s offensive line is so bad that it’s impossible to do anything worthwhile on offense.

When that’s the case, you play for draft position, and you hope the Chiefs can sink deeper than they did on Sunday inside Invesco Field at Mile High.

In losing their sixth straight, the Chiefs rushed for 16 yards in 17 carries, surrendered five sacks, punted eight times, allowed Denver 215 rushing yards and never touched Bronco quarterback Jay Cutler, who finished 20 of 27 passing for 244 yards and four touchdowns.

The Preacher will be preaching this week. He’s embarrassed. If he’s going to lose a game, he’d prefer to lose in the fourth quarter after making everyone suffer through two hours of field-position football.

Denver ran away with this thing, jumping to a two-TD lead in the first quarter and cruising to a 24-7 halftime advantage.

“Our strength is our defense, and we can’t give up 14 points to start out the game and expect to win,” Edwards complained.

Right now there are five teams with worse records than the Chiefs — Miami, 0-13, St. Louis, 3-10, San Francisco, 3-10, the Jets, 3-10 and Atlanta, 3-9. Oakland and Baltimore have the same 4-9 record as the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs take care of business, lose to Tennessee and Detroit, they could head to New York and take on the Jets for the right to draft as high as No. 4.

The key to losing out is packing it in mentally. Sunday’s effort is just the kind of thing that could cause players to refocus.

“It’s not good. We didn’t play well today. It seems like guys didn’t show up today,” Tony Gonzalez grumbled. “Maybe people were already in offseason mode. Maybe they’re already back to their families, going back to Miami or wherever you go during the offseason. It’s sad. It’s frustrating. We’ve got three games left... Let’s go play hard. Let’s try to win. I don’t care about the playoffs.”

I disagree. I loved every pass Dwayne Bowe and Kris Wilson dropped. It was great seeing Ty Law and Patrick Surtain get lit up like Christmas trees. Jared Allen has done more than enough this season to earn a major contract upgrade. He deserved the break he took on Sunday. There’s no reason to waste a sack on the Broncos. And why not let a no-name back jam it right down your throat repeatedly?

You just hope they can do it three more times. We know bad offensive-line play is a given. On one of Croyle’s five sacks, every lineman except Brian Waters got beat.

Honestly, I’m thinking about deducting points from my season-ending Chiefs grades from any player who tries to play hero down the stretch, especially if it’s a veteran player. If Bobby Sippio makes a big play, I’m cool with it. But there’s no reason for an established veteran to do anything beyond go through the motions at this point.

Chiefs fans should do their part by skipping the Tennessee game. We all have a role to play in getting this team to 4-12.

**pr_capone** · 12-10-2007, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

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Chiefs fans should do their part by skipping the Tennessee game. We all have a role to play in getting this team to 4-12.

In regards to this comment... I have sent him the following email.

Quote:

Originally Posted by e-mail

You stated...

"Chiefs fans should do their part by skipping the Tennessee game. We all have a role to play in getting this team to 4-12."

I would love to do just that.... but I purchased 4 tickets several months ago. Unlike some who can afford to miss a game, financially, I cannot. Any chance you might want to pick up my tickets at face value?

Hell.... even 2 of them would be a great help.

Section 135
Row 28
Seats 19 - 21

Face is $92 per ticket as printed.

Lemme know!

Thanks!

Hope he replies.... I need to get rid of these but can't afford to loose any money on them. *sigh*

Mecca · 12-10-2007, 12:22 AM

LOL......it really has nothing to do with him playing for SC. There are other SC guys in the draft that I wouldn't want to draft.....

I personally think Ellis is damn near as good as Dorsey if not as good, LSU lineman get a ton of hype, how about Marcus Spears? He got a bunch he hasn't been all that great.

el borracho · 12-10-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Really? you think he could go that high? I would think Miami would use their #1 pick on either like a QB, or OT? It just makes more sense for them. Those two positions are the main building blocks to building a team.

Miami just drafted their QBOTF in the early 2nd this past draft. I can't imagine they would take a QB on the first day in the upcoming draft. Then again, I can't logically explain their last draft so anything is possible, I guess.

ChiefsCountry · 12-10-2007, 12:24 AM

I would rather have Sedrick Ellis than Laurinitis. An awesome DT will make your MLB look better.

RustShack · 12-10-2007, 12:25 AM

If Long is gone I would go for a DT, this is a strong OT year and we could get a first round talent OT in the 2nd round.

Pablo · 12-10-2007, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

LOL......it really has nothing to do with him playing for SC. There are other SC guys in the draft that I wouldn't want to draft.....

I personally think Ellis is damn near as good as Dorsey if not as good, LSU lineman get a ton of hype, how about Marcus Spears? He got a bunch he hasn't been all that great.

I'd love it if the Chiefs would draft the BPA..but it really won't happen. I've watched Dorsey and he's a monster, so if Ellis is really near his talent, then he might be a good pick.

I'd really be pretty damn happy if we did draft a stud OT, then Vernon Ghoulston falls to the second round and we pick him up there. He's projected late first, but he might slip into the early second. I really doubt it though. We really don't need another DE, but he'd be hard to pass up.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-10-2007, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I would rather have Sedrick Ellis than Laurinitis. An awesome DT will make your MLB look better.

Right now, I have little faith that the best DT's in history could make Napoleon Harris look better........

Harris = teh suck

BigRock · 12-10-2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Miami just drafted their QBOTF in the early 2nd this past draft. I can't imagine they would take a QB on the first day in the upcoming draft. Then again, I can't logically explain their last draft so anything is possible, I guess.

Did they send Beck back to the bench early in the game today? I heard it happened, but I didn't hear a definitive reason why. Desperation to avoid 0-16, probably.

Ari ümlaüt · 12-10-2007, 12:28 AM

The Chiefs should have drafted Ryan Kahlil from USC instead of Turk McBride in the 2nd round last year. ****ing dumbasses.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-10-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

Did they send Beck back to the bench early in the game today? I heard it happened, but I didn't hear a definitive reason why. Desperation to avoid 0-16, probably.

Cameron trying to save his own ass, IMO.

Ari ümlaüt · 12-10-2007, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack

If Long is gone I would go for a DT, this is a strong OT year and we could get a first round talent OT in the 2nd round.

Then lets get first round OL talent in the first and second round.... and third.... and...

**pr_capone** · 12-10-2007, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ümlaüt

The Chiefs should have drafted Ryan Kahlil from USC instead of Turk McBride in the 2nd round last year. ****ing dumbasses.

Turk was a 3rd round pick.... we had no 2nd but two 3rds IIRC.

****ing dumbass

Eleazar · 12-10-2007, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone

In regards to this comment... I have sent him the following email.

Hope he replies.... I need to get rid of these but can't afford to loose any money on them. *sigh*

I don't understand. It's a sunk cost. You're out the ticket money whether you go to the game or not. If anything, you're out more money if you go to the game in parking and gas, tailgate food, whatever else you need. It would probably save money to not go. Not to mention whatever 4 or 5 hours of your time is worth, and not being outside in the subzero temps

el borracho · 12-10-2007, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

Is it weird I'd rather have Chris Long than Jake Long?

No, it's not necessarily weird. We could use another DE so it really comes down to your opinion of who is a better draft prospect: Chris or Jake?

ChiefsCountry · 12-10-2007, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr_capone

Turk was a 3rd round pick.... we had no 2nd but two 3rds IIRC.

****ing dumbass

No Turk was a 2nd.

12-09-2007, 11:14 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4160478	WHITLOCK - IT’S TIME TO LOSE FOR THE FUTURE http://www.kansascity.com/sports/col...ry/397009.html DENVER \| You hope this wasn’t rock bottom. Seriously, you hope King Carl, Herm Edwards and the Chiefs have the decency and smarts to save their worst for last, for season-ending road trips to Detroit and New York. This season can only end on a positive note if the Chiefs get a top-five draft pick out of it and a chance to nab tackle Jake Long or quarterbacks Matt Ryan and Brian Brohm. Sunday’s 41-7 loss to the Denver Broncos could be problematic. It was the kind of embarrassing, gutless performance that motivates players and coaches to finish the season with pride. Edwards was angry Sunday. Irritated by the performance of his defense, Herm sounded feisty and prideful in his postgame comments. At one point, he nearly broke into his “you play to win the game” mantra. No. You play to win the Super Bowl. And when that’s not a legitimate goal, you play to make the playoffs. Once the playoffs are eliminated — as they were on Sunday for the Chiefs — you play to develop your players for next season. That’s where the Chiefs are now — except they have a special circumstance. They can’t develop Brodie Croyle, Kolby Smith or Dwayne Bowe because KC’s offensive line is so bad that it’s impossible to do anything worthwhile on offense. When that’s the case, you play for draft position, and you hope the Chiefs can sink deeper than they did on Sunday inside Invesco Field at Mile High. In losing their sixth straight, the Chiefs rushed for 16 yards in 17 carries, surrendered five sacks, punted eight times, allowed Denver 215 rushing yards and never touched Bronco quarterback Jay Cutler, who finished 20 of 27 passing for 244 yards and four touchdowns. The Preacher will be preaching this week. He’s embarrassed. If he’s going to lose a game, he’d prefer to lose in the fourth quarter after making everyone suffer through two hours of field-position football. Denver ran away with this thing, jumping to a two-TD lead in the first quarter and cruising to a 24-7 halftime advantage. “Our strength is our defense, and we can’t give up 14 points to start out the game and expect to win,” Edwards complained. Right now there are five teams with worse records than the Chiefs — Miami, 0-13, St. Louis, 3-10, San Francisco, 3-10, the Jets, 3-10 and Atlanta, 3-9. Oakland and Baltimore have the same 4-9 record as the Chiefs. If the Chiefs take care of business, lose to Tennessee and Detroit, they could head to New York and take on the Jets for the right to draft as high as No. 4. The key to losing out is packing it in mentally. Sunday’s effort is just the kind of thing that could cause players to refocus. “It’s not good. We didn’t play well today. It seems like guys didn’t show up today,” Tony Gonzalez grumbled. “Maybe people were already in offseason mode. Maybe they’re already back to their families, going back to Miami or wherever you go during the offseason. It’s sad. It’s frustrating. We’ve got three games left... Let’s go play hard. Let’s try to win. I don’t care about the playoffs.” I disagree. I loved every pass Dwayne Bowe and Kris Wilson dropped. It was great seeing Ty Law and Patrick Surtain get lit up like Christmas trees. Jared Allen has done more than enough this season to earn a major contract upgrade. He deserved the break he took on Sunday. There’s no reason to waste a sack on the Broncos. And why not let a no-name back jam it right down your throat repeatedly? You just hope they can do it three more times. We know bad offensive-line play is a given. On one of Croyle’s five sacks, every lineman except Brian Waters got beat. Honestly, I’m thinking about deducting points from my season-ending Chiefs grades from any player who tries to play hero down the stretch, especially if it’s a veteran player. If Bobby Sippio makes a big play, I’m cool with it. But there’s no reason for an established veteran to do anything beyond go through the motions at this point. Chiefs fans should do their part by skipping the Tennessee game. We all have a role to play in getting this team to 4-12.
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12-10-2007, 12:22 AM	#122
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2087050	LOL......it really has nothing to do with him playing for SC. There are other SC guys in the draft that I wouldn't want to draft..... I personally think Ellis is damn near as good as Dorsey if not as good, LSU lineman get a ton of hype, how about Marcus Spears? He got a bunch he hasn't been all that great.
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12-10-2007, 12:28 AM	#129
Ari ümlaüt Take off, eh? Join Date: Dec 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	The Chiefs should have drafted Ryan Kahlil from USC instead of Turk McBride in the 2nd round last year. ****ing dumbasses.
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