Chiefs Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future - Page 9

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 04:15 PM

Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality.

I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them.

Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a sh*tty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around.

Seriously, it shouldn't take a ****n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for **** sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself.

I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this ****n sh*t!! When Herm was here, they signed these ****n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping.

Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, **** off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is ****n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sh*t they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be.

You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh*t. There is no excuse for this bullsh*t that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap.

I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Translation: We didn't sign a bunch of free agents to satisfy my hope for 8-8.

At least 8-8 is better then 2-14.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

it's not really 30???? where have you been? we have 30 new players on the roster. so yeah it's 30

List all 30 please

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-28-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i think that had to do with having guys who would be accountable for the play on the field. And having guys that have actually won some nfl games.

Vrabel showed yesterday that he will get on people. Did you see him when a penalty took away that sack? Do you notice the way he gets on guys in the huddle?

He might want to find a mirror, step in front of it, and "get on" the guy looking back at him, because that guy isn't getting it done.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 07:14 PM

They should have atleast made enough moves to let Cassel show if he's good or not.

No one thought the Chiefs were good or going 8-8 but we're absurdly bad.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

At least 8-8 is better then 2-14.

No, it's not, especially depending on your roster.

If you're a young team, it might be better. If you're an old team, it sucks.

Jack · 09-28-2009, 07:15 PM

Yesterday as I watch fuzzy, erratic streaming video on my computer, my mind reached back over the 40+ years that I have been a Chiefs fan.

1964 I returned from my first overseas assignment as young sailor with just over 2 years on my first hitch and found out, Wow! The Kansas City Chiefs football team and the new AFL had surfaced. I climbed right onboard and instantly became a fan. I followed every game and got to a couple games when stationed in San Diego. I also grew an immediate dislike for the Chargers and hated the Raiders. Denver was a floor mat and would be for years to come.

In 1967, dark thirty one morning, I was sitting on a gunboat on some forgotten river in the Mekong Delta, I scoured the airwaves with a shortwave radio trying to find the AFRN broadcast and searched intently for the game. I finally found it just before the half and was happy the score was so close, 14-10 Green Bay. About half way through the 3rd period it faded out. As I was searching again, Charlie lit up the river edge with a “tufa salute” and we laid some massive fire at the muzzle flashes. It only last a few minutes and when things calmed down, I found that my shortwave radio had been knocked over the transom when I scrambled for the M60. I was crushed when I found out a few days later they lost

It was difficult to follow the Chiefs progress from then on. I spend all of my Navy time overseas until my discharge in ’74. So with others I then followed them through some pretty tough years. The seventies and eighties was pretty dismal. Seems like all the big name (and big money) players always went to other consistently successful franchises while the Chiefs had so many marginal players.

During those hard years, it never entered my mind that Lamar Hunt might be the on constant for the failures. Once in an interview someone joked to him that the Chiefs were losing something like a million dollars a year. He smiled and said that if that continued, he would be broke in a hundred years.

Hunt did so much for the AFL, Kansas City and (I thought) the Chiefs. It would be hard to really think he was the reason for such mediocre teams, almost sacrilege. Yet he was so tight with the purse. But I think you may be correct that the onus is on Lamar’s son. Unless he starts to pony up then I reckon nothing will change. Yes, the team will improve but I have resolved that going to another big dance will probably not happen in my lifetime.

What makes a successful franchise? Look at the Steelers! Read – Six, that is SIX rings.
I think the reason for the success is that the Rooney clan is willing to spend the bucks to get to the dance. Franchises are built on bucks not luck.

Flame me it you want but I have lost a lot of faith in my team. Nearing my 66th year, I am too old to worry about it. No, I will never leave my team and will just hang on and hope. Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

Mecca · 09-28-2009, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He might want to find a mirror, step in front of it, and "get on" the guy looking back at him, because that guy isn't getting it done.

Wouldn't it be funny if Vrabel yelled at Washington and he said back "look you old broke dick mother****er maybe if you give me some of your HGH so my chin grows out like a dick I can win some titles too!"

RedThat · 09-28-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, it's not, especially depending on your roster.

If you're a young team, it might be better. If you're an old team, it sucks.

True. But are the Chiefs old?

**SAUTO** · 09-28-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

List all 30 please

dane there are articles out on how many guys have left the team and every on has it at 30, i dont have time to look and list all of them

**Gadzooks** · 09-28-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

I used to think at least give the Chiefs credit they tried to get players. But now I don't think that way. When you replace scrub with scrub I don't credit that as trying.

All 32 teams replace scrubs with scrubs. They also are forced to replace elite superstars with scrubs.
Don't get your knickers in a bunch over the O-Line. Goff will be gone and retired soon enough and by that time may have managed to replace him with a solid 4th rounder.
Relax yo.

**SAUTO** · 09-28-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat

True. But are the Chiefs old?

nope like the 2nd youngest still

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack

YEven a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

Blind pigs don't rush the passer

**kysirsoze** · 09-28-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Their free agent activity suggests otherwise.

I don't define bringing in Vrabel, Thomas, Engram, etc. as a "win now" move. Pioli wanted some veteran presence that knew what it was like to be on a good team. Maybe you don't agree that those moves are beneficial, but to me it indicates that he knew we had a long road ahead of us.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-28-2009, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

dane there are articles out on how many guys have left the team and every on has it at 30, i dont have time to look and list all of them

Sure you do.

I just told you differently.

It's not 30, it's 20. Five were released from IR and five were practice squad guys.

That leaves 20. Out of those 20, five are on other NFL teams. 4 out of 5 are defensive players that don't fit the 3-4 and the fifth is Gonzalez.

It's a disingenuous statement and intellectually dishonest.

**SAUTO** · 09-28-2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sure you do.

I just told you differently.

It's not 30, it's 20. Five were released from IR and five were practice squad guys.

That leaves 20. Out of those 20, five are on other NFL teams. 4 out of 5 are defensive players that don't fit the 3-4 and the fifth is Gonzalez.

It's a disingenuous statement and intellectually dishonest.

so dane those 5 IR guys and PS guy arent on the roster?

09-28-2009, 04:15 PM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Expect to be disappointed because there will be no talent on this team in the future Im no psychic, and neither do I have a crystal ball in front of me to predict the future. I make my statements clearly based in relation to how this dismal franchise operates. I hate to sound doom and gloom but it is leading towards that because of our football reality. I don't care if we hired Scott Pioli and hired a coach from the Parcell's tree. This means absolutely nothing. when you really get down to the main core of things, these guys will have no value on this franchise because they ain't the main guys behind the curtain. They're not in full control of football operations, they're not ultimately responsible for calling the shots nor pay the bills. They're just puppets obeying what their master wants from them. Seriously though, when you get down to it we have a shtty owner. Yeah Scott Pioli is who the fans wanted and Clark satisfied our desire in that regard. He comes from New England therefore we should all be excited because he comes from a winner and knows how to put championship teams together right? Im not gonna buy into this. If you really payed close attention the operations around 1 Arrowhead drive haven't changed. The Chiefs are still the same old Chiefs. They operate in the same manner and fashion just like when Herm and Carl were here. Just different men this time around. Seriously, it shouldn't take a *n rocket scientist to figure this out. We're being deceived into thinking this team is gonna turn it around and build a winner. we tune in and watch the games every Sunday, and why do we cheer? Because we want good things to happen. We want to win for sakes. That's why every fan watches sports and if you for one minute think that you can dodge your way around that, you're only fooling yourself. I honestly believe these guys are no different then salesmen trying to sell themselves to make you convinced why you should buy their product. Seriously, Im tired of this *n sht!! When Herm was here, they signed these **n castoffs from other teams, and as fans were lead into believing that what they were doing was right. How many times do you recall Herm say the best teams on paper don't win? As a result, they went out and signed trash...It is evident when you see them sign guys like Alphonso Boone, Damion McIntosh, an old Donnie Edwards, Adrian Jones...And these guys are players other teams didn't even consider keeping. Then, this time around, new regime, BUT, now were being told the team with the best players don't win. you have to have the "RIGHT" 53 players?! Well, off! This is clearly a ploy. Its a total cover up for an owner who is *n cheap and doesn't wish to spend the money. What's gonna be the excuse? Clark isn't spending the money because he is devoting it towards stadium renovations. Gimme a break. If we take a close look at the off-season we signed 2nd and 3rd tier players who aren't gonna make a difference or impact your team in any sort of way. And it's the same sht they sign "old" guys or injury riddled players who clearly aren't what they used to be. You can't take other teams scraps and expect to build a good team? That is my point. The saying is true, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken sht. There is no excuse for this bullsht that is going on. None. They've clearly had opportunties to upgrade the talent on the roster and what did they do? They were there usual passive selves. They waited waited and signed scraps, while the good talent was there they didn't cash in on those opportunities. No excuses when you're 30 someodd million under the cap. I think it's important to "read between the lines". Pioli or no Pioli, Peterson or no Peterson the fact is Chief fans are getting ripped off. And I anticipate they will not win any time soon nor in the future. the reason is simple, the operations haven't changed at all. you have no talent, can you win? Absolutely not. And it's a shame because the fans of Kansas City love their football, while Clark doesn't relate to your passion nor has any regards towards it whatsoever.
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Jack Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Centralia, WA Casino cash: $10005010	Yesterday as I watch fuzzy, erratic streaming video on my computer, my mind reached back over the 40+ years that I have been a Chiefs fan. 1964 I returned from my first overseas assignment as young sailor with just over 2 years on my first hitch and found out, Wow! The Kansas City Chiefs football team and the new AFL had surfaced. I climbed right onboard and instantly became a fan. I followed every game and got to a couple games when stationed in San Diego. I also grew an immediate dislike for the Chargers and hated the Raiders. Denver was a floor mat and would be for years to come. In 1967, dark thirty one morning, I was sitting on a gunboat on some forgotten river in the Mekong Delta, I scoured the airwaves with a shortwave radio trying to find the AFRN broadcast and searched intently for the game. I finally found it just before the half and was happy the score was so close, 14-10 Green Bay. About half way through the 3rd period it faded out. As I was searching again, Charlie lit up the river edge with a “tufa salute” and we laid some massive fire at the muzzle flashes. It only last a few minutes and when things calmed down, I found that my shortwave radio had been knocked over the transom when I scrambled for the M60. I was crushed when I found out a few days later they lost It was difficult to follow the Chiefs progress from then on. I spend all of my Navy time overseas until my discharge in ’74. So with others I then followed them through some pretty tough years. The seventies and eighties was pretty dismal. Seems like all the big name (and big money) players always went to other consistently successful franchises while the Chiefs had so many marginal players. During those hard years, it never entered my mind that Lamar Hunt might be the on constant for the failures. Once in an interview someone joked to him that the Chiefs were losing something like a million dollars a year. He smiled and said that if that continued, he would be broke in a hundred years. Hunt did so much for the AFL, Kansas City and (I thought) the Chiefs. It would be hard to really think he was the reason for such mediocre teams, almost sacrilege. Yet he was so tight with the purse. But I think you may be correct that the onus is on Lamar’s son. Unless he starts to pony up then I reckon nothing will change. Yes, the team will improve but I have resolved that going to another big dance will probably not happen in my lifetime. What makes a successful franchise? Look at the Steelers! Read – Six, that is SIX rings. I think the reason for the success is that the Rooney clan is willing to spend the bucks to get to the dance. Franchises are built on bucks not luck. Flame me it you want but I have lost a lot of faith in my team. Nearing my 66th year, I am too old to worry about it. No, I will never leave my team and will just hang on and hope. Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while. Last edited by Jack; 09-28-2009 at 07:28 PM..
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