Texans fans seem to be falling in love with Pollard.

[BossChief]

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[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I cant believe I forgot to add Jimmy and McBride.

Jimmy has 5.5...he should have 6 but you know how the coaches like the players to share.

I can literally post a link to a post of mine calling for us to either keep every one of those guys or me being pissed they were let go for whatever reason they let go. (except Siavii)

**** YOU CP !!! **** YOU IN THE BUNGHOLE !!!!

Add to that the possibilities we could have had if that ****ing moron had traded LJ and kept Jared like any competant GM would have.

that is 100% proof that CP is a complete and total FAIL

I bet those players have double, if not triple how many sacks our whole team has currently.

He should hve been fired when the Hunts found out he didnt fire Gunther face to face. That is a HUGE sign he wasnt capable of doing his damn job.

I would have liked to see Marty with a franchise Qb back in the days, but again CP is a total idiot....OH WAIT I FORGOT HE BROUGHT IN JOE MONTANA....oh wait that was the only time we ever had a legitimate chance at a superbowl.

Very telling also is that most of those players were our leading tackler the year before they were jettisoned.

Pollard was.

Damn I hate CP, and Scott Pioli is starting to piss me off too, but wait I dont want to be called a flip flopper by Buster ****ing Hymen so I better not say bad words about the great Pioli!

You are full of shit, as usual.

You were sucking Herms imaginary penis till the day he was fired, unless you'd care to lie about that too. You also thought that Thigpen should be the starter this year, and the Chiefs wouldn't be bringing in another QB, either through draft or FA. Now you suddenly think Pollard is a world beater, even though theres a ton of proof otherwise. You are football stupid. It may be time for you to stfu and watch and learn for a change.

[Mecca]

I wasn't a fan of Pollard but the truth is...Mike Brown is worse.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

You are full of shit, as usual.

You were sucking Herms imaginary penis till the day he was fired, unless you'd care to lie about that too. You also thought that Thigpen should be the starter this year, and the Chiefs wouldn't be bringing in another QB, either through draft or FA. Now you suddenly think Pollard is a world beater, even though theres a ton of proof otherwise. You are football stupid. It may be time for you to stfu and watch and learn for a change.

First, no one said he's a world beater. However, he is, IMO a serviceable safety - and compared to Mike Brown, he's an upgrade.

And what "proof otherwise" do you have?

That he played poorly because he was being used incorrectly - something that happened to several players during Herm's time here?

Hiring dipshit defensive coordinator after dipshit defensive coordinator is the bigger issue here.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

First, no one said he's a world beater. However, he is, IMO a serviceable safety - and compared to Mike Brown, he's an upgrade.

And what "proof otherwise" do you have?

That he played poorly because he was being used incorrectly - something that happened to several players during Herm's time here?

Hiring dipshit defensive coordinator after dipshit defensive coordinator is the bigger issue here.

And it continues, this coaching staff leaves a lot to be desired.

[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

First, no one said he's a world beater. However, he is, IMO a serviceable safety - and compared to Mike Brown, he's an upgrade.

And what "proof otherwise" do you have?

That he played poorly because he was being used incorrectly - something that happened to several players during Herm's time here?

Hiring dipshit defensive coordinator after dipshit defensive coordinator is the bigger issue here.

Bad being better than worse still doesn't equal good. Don't you think hiding Pollard in a defense with their front, and Ryans and Cushing makes him look better than he actually is?

Kawika Mitchell and Nap Harris led the Chiefs in tackles in consecutive years. Does that make them magically good? I didn't think so. We're crying over garbage players here, and while the defensive coaching leaves something to be desired, it's pretty much a fact that the players themselves suck.

Pollard being played in a cover who, or 3/4 doesn't take away from the fact that he is a terrible tackler, who lost contain all the time, and is slower than shit. Just because Mike Brown is slower doesn't make Pollard fast. It probably was a mistake cutting him for Brown, but the difference is VERY subtle.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Bad being better than worse still doesn't equal good. Don't you think hiding Pollard in a defense with their front, and Ryans and Cushing makes him look better than he actually is?

Kawika Mitchell and Nap Harris led the Chiefs in tackles in consecutive years. Does that make them magically good? I didn't think so. We're crying over garbage players here, and while the defensive coaching leaves something to be desired, it's pretty much a fact that the players themselves suck.

Pollard being played in a cover who, or 3/4 doesn't take away from the fact that he is a terrible tackler, who lost contain all the time, and is slower than shit. Just because Mike Brown is slower doesn't make Pollard fast. It probably was a mistake cutting him for Brown, but the difference is VERY subtle.

You're right, better than bad does not equal good.

But it does equal better, and in this case, younger. I'd rather play a younger guy that at least has the chance to get better, than the old guy that everyone knew was done but us. (This conversation could apply to Goff as well)

Again, I'm not saying that Pollard is the second coming of Ronnie Lott.

He's not.

However, he's a clear upgrade over Brown, and I for one would have like to witnessed what he could do when utilized correctly.

Unfortunately, I have to watch Texans games to do so.

[Easy 6]

Pollard, through 4 games with a new team: 23tak 0sck 0force fumble

Brown, through the first 4 games with a new team: 27tak 1sck 0force fumble

Is Brown the same guy that played in Chicago? Outside of leadership ability, is he substantially better than Pollard?... obviously not.

Brown was kept, IMO, because of his experience, because he knows how to prepare like a former All-Pro & the coaches are hoping some of that will rub off on the young guys.

Go ahead & rip my last paragraph, i can see the openings... but the stat sheet says we didnt lose a goddamned thing, why is everyone acting like we just canned Ronnie Lott?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by scott free

Pollard, through 4 games with a new team: 23tak 0sck 0force fumble

Brown, through the first 4 games with a new team: 27tak 1sck 0force fumble

Is Brown the same guy that played in Chicago? Outside of leadership ability, is he substantially better than Pollard?... obviously not.

Brown was kept, IMO, because of his experience, because he knows how to prepare like a former All-Pro & the coaches are hoping some of that will rub off on the young guys.

Go ahead & rip my last paragraph, i can see the openings... but the stat sheet says we didnt lose a goddamned thing, why is everyone acting like we just canned Ronnie Lott?

Do you actually watch the games?

I'd say no, based on that post, because Brown makes many more mistakes per game than Pollard ever did, and Pollard was being mis-used.

[Mr. Laz]

I bet Bosschief masturbates with an SOS brillo pad too. Just to teach himself a lesson he'll never forget.

[Tiger's Fan]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Do you actually watch the games?

I'd say no, based on that post, because Brown makes many more mistakes per game than Pollard ever did, and Pollard was being mis-used.

Brown makes a ton of mistakes based mostly on ability at this point in his career. You've apparently forgotten all the 40yd + runs that Pollard was directly involved in last year, because I haven't. Pollard, at most, is slightly better, and as was stated, without ANY of the leadership qualities that an experienced player like Brown can bring in. (not that it's helped much) The fact of the matter is, Flowers is the only viable starting d-back on the team to take in to the future. A young Pollard is nobodies saviour.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Buster Hymen

Brown makes a ton of mistakes based mostly on ability at this point in his career. You've apparently forgotten all the 40yd + runs that Pollard was directly involved in last year, because I haven't. Pollard, at most, is slightly better, and as was stated, without ANY of the leadership qualities that an experienced player like Brown can bring in. (not that it's helped much) The fact of the matter is, Flowers is the only viable starting d-back on the team to take in to the future. A young Pollard is nobodies saviour.

Dear God, man. Did you go to the JASONSAUTO School of Reading Comprehension?

NO ONE is saying Pollard is the savior, or anything resembling that.

However, people are saying that it appears the organization made a mistake, as the person they brought in to replace him is worse than what we had - and it's become a trend if you look around the roster.

The point of rebuilding is to UPGRADE talent. Not get worse.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Less of a fool than you were.

"MONSTER year for BP!"

Foolish to say this statement wont come true.

One man goes to a talented defense and seems to be the catalyst to them lowering their rush defense BY A FULL TWO YARDS PER CARRY AND THATS NOT HAVING A GOOD YEAR??? If that doesnt, what does for you?

He isnt Ed Reed, never will be.

I repeat, the man led his team in tackles as a safety, that is saying that the problem wasnt him and that he was having to do to much. Is that wrong? No, it isnt. It means too many people got past the front seven and into the secondary.

I can see this is going nowhere, so Im gonna stop.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Yeah, that's all it was...it had nothing to do with him missing five tackles in three quarters of one preseason game....

Has Mike Brown made five tackles all year?

What are his excuses?

Ill tell you one thing that is a guarantee, this front seven is much better than last years and Mike Brown has been far worse than Pollard was even as a sophmore two years ago.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Good post.

There is a quote floating around here from Pollard, talking about Gunther's departure, and how he was "held back" because he was asked to do things scheme wise that didn't play to his strengths - namely, playing in coverage.

Now, in just a short time, you can see that Pollard wasn't the problem - as Houston is playing him up in run support, and he's really given that bad run defense a huge boost. Hell, he's played less than half the season for them and he's 6th on the team in tackles.

in Gunthers defense, he ws forced to run the cover two and that doesnt ever have a obx safety, both safeties are responsible for the deep halves.

That is Herms FAIL and CPs FAIL...Gunther, not so much.

Gunther is acco0untable for lots of FAIL, but not this one.

[Mecca]

Hey who cares, Bernard Pollard is probably happy how this turned out.