Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 9

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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**MahiMike** · 11-10-2009, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

So you are OK with his crappy play because you don't know what Haley is teaching him? Then I guess you are OK with Brown's play? Rudy's play? _____________ (fill in the blank)'s play?

Totally different. It's up to the QB to control (manage) the game. The other guys are just lining up and performing based on situations.

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

you are a complete and total idiot.

Take Brady away from your team and you were no better than the other teams BB coached previously.

Name me a few teams that turned everything around without the insertion of a great QB.....you can count those teams on one hand.

Why do you post here?

Take Brady away from the Patriots and they were 11-5 last year. Do we need to go through the list of teams that succeeded without a Hall of Fame QB?
Like women in the office you guys give too much credit to the qb when they win and too much blame when the team loses. See Mecca's moronic claim that the Colts would be 3-13 without Manning. Qb is the key position. Its not the whole team. Its not all about Cassel. The team SUCKS. With Manning they don't win more than 4 or 5 games TOPS.
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**HemiEd** · 11-10-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

no i'm comparing the SITUATIONS. even the greatest Qbs in the game have problems when pressured, i said this about manning a couple of weeks ago(happy feet and not the same guy when hit) and now that i look it up it's true. his 4 worst int years are also in the his top 5 years for sacks.

not so laughable when you look at it that way IMO

Thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense when you put it that way. But I think it would do him, and the team, some good to sit him for a while.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Take Brady away from the Patriots and they were 11-5 last year. Do we need to go through the list of teams that succeeded without a Hall of Fame QB?
Like women in the office you guys give too much credit to the qb when they win and too much blame when the team loses. See Mecca's moronic claim that the Colts would be 3-13 without Manning. Qb is the key position. Its not the whole team. Its not all about Cassel. The team SUCKS. With Manning they don't win more than 4 or 5 games TOPS.
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Get off of Moe Kessel's back.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Take Brady away from the Patriots and they were 11-5 last year. Do we need to go through the list of teams that succeeded without a Hall of Fame QB?
Like women in the office you guys give too much credit to the qb when they win and too much blame when the team loses. See Mecca's moronic claim that the Colts would be 3-13 without Manning. Qb is the key position. Its not the whole team. Its not all about Cassel. The team SUCKS. With Manning they don't win more than 4 or 5 games TOPS.
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So, you are gonna dodge my question because it wouldn't fit your agenda. I get it.

Teams don't usually turn things around (99% of the time anyway, there is always a Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson type that goes to a team with a hof defense and wins a championship with it) until they fill the QB position. There is a reason it is called "the most important position in sports"

Cassel took over the Ferrari and never shifted it into 5th or 6th gear. I was talking about a "turnaround" not a injury replacement.

KCUnited · 11-10-2009, 06:19 PM

Next time you're at a bar in KC order the MarkCastle & McCormick. Its McCormick vodka on the rocks stirred with the bartendars cock cuz this guy sucks the penis. To drink it you throw it back a foot over your head so it hits the guy behind you. MarkCastle & McCormick.

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

Next time you're at a bar in KC order the MarkCastle & McCormick. Its McCormick vodka on the rocks stirred with the bartendars cock cuz this guy sucks the penis. To drink it you throw it back a foot over your head so it hits the guy behind you. MarkCastle & McCormick.

I am dumber for having read this post

KCUnited · 11-10-2009, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

I am dumber for having read this post

you should check the op...oh wait.

Coogs · 11-10-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Totally different. It's up to the QB to control (manage) the game. The other guys are just lining up and performing based on situations.

Yet we have seen no improvement in his management of the game. Again, I am not bashing yet. But I fully think it is ok to start questioning his abilities. He is 27. He has started 22 games in his career now. We should see signs one way or the other. Are we? We may be.

milkman · 11-10-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone

The guy doesnt have time to check every ****ing receiver because he has exactly no time from the second the ball is snapped to the point where he has to get rid of it.

The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

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What the **** do you want him to do? Float on a god damn cloud until one of the DBs trips and falls finally allowing someone to get open?[/qoute]

What I want him to do is to actually stand in the pocket when he does have time and actually go through his progressions.

Yup... coming into this week 4 of those teams were at 4-3 or worse. ****ing powerhouses there.... no doubt.

This is his second year starting. Him being 27 does not translate to on the field experience nor does it translate to him leading the football equivalent of the bad news bears.

He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.

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Of course his YPA is awful! His coach is calling ****ing dump offs on 3rd and 19 and he doesnt have time to let his receivers get open. You know that stuff that Charlie and his grandfather drank in Willy Wonka that made them float is fake, right?

His coach isn't calling all those dumpoffs.
He's making those decisions.

Mecca · 11-10-2009, 08:03 PM

Cassel basically loves the dump off pass, he plays like a game manager QB of a team that can win as long as he doesn't **** up when that is not the case, it makes no sense.

Brock · 11-10-2009, 08:07 PM

I want to see whether Chambers really makes that much difference. If they continue to hook up downfield, I'll feel a lot better about Cassel.

**BossChief** · 11-10-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.

His coach isn't calling all those dumpoffs.
He's making those decisions.

this

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Cassel basically loves the dump off pass, he plays like a game manager QB of a team that can win as long as he doesn't **** up when that is not the case, it makes no sense.

this

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Originally Posted by Brock

I want to see whether Chambers really makes that much difference. If they continue to hook up downfield, I'll feel a lot better about Cassel.

and....THIS

milkman · 11-10-2009, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Flacco has 2, Ryan has 1, Rivers has 3.
This is not unique to Cassel. QB's benefit from "garbage time" situations all over the league.

He has time to go through his reads with this God-awful line protecting him?

Chambers made a negligible adjustment to catch that ball.
To a ball thrown to the middle of the field (where any good deep ball should be placed in that situation).

That ball was a rainbow, and Chambers had to come to a virtual stop to make that catch.

Hell, you had time to go take a dump while waiting for it to come down.

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The O-Line is bad, to be sure, but Cassel actually makes them look worse, becasue he has no pocket presense and begins to move away from phnatom pressure and checks down before he has to.

No pocket presence???

The guy has avoided more sacks than Manning will be hurried all year. If not for his pocket presence and mobility... he would be setting records for being sacked the most in a single season.

As it stands, he is on pace to be sacked 10 fewer times than the current record.

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He's 27, with 4 years of learning in the NFL behind him before his first year of starting.

Compare his numbers to Aaron Rogers.

Compare the weapons each has. Also, there was a point last night were they showed Rogers getting 5.4 ****ing seconds to find his receiver and throw. Matt is generally under pressure from the moment the ball is snapped.

Also, he has had 3 years of bench time where he threw all of 39 passes.

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His coach isn't calling all those dumpoffs.
He's making those decisions.

I could be wrong but those dumpoffs on 3rd and 19 look like designed plays and I'm not the only one to say that.

Even if it is his decision, the majority of the time he is throwing them out of necessity because he has defenders crawling up his ass.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-612950	Cassel basically loves the dump off pass, he plays like a game manager QB of a team that can win as long as he doesn't **** up when that is not the case, it makes no sense.
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Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	I want to see whether Chambers really makes that much difference. If they continue to hook up downfield, I'll feel a lot better about Cassel.
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