Chiefs Peter King: The Chiefs will never take a safety that high - Page 9

**dirk digler** · 03-16-2010, 10:17 AM

I hope that ****nut is wrong but I am sure I will be disappointed if Berry is there and they pass unless they decide to draft Clausen.

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I noticed last night SI's Peter King was tweeting up a storm at his Twitter account about all things football for a few hours. One very interesting observation came out of him that I think would surprise a lot of us here.
Someone suggested the Chiefs trade with the Dolphins, who are in need of a playmaking safety. King, who agreed with a Miami/Kansas City trade scenario, had this to say:

"And KC would never take [safety] that high."

Now, King's one of the best in the business when it comes to sports reporting, especially the NFL and that sounds like a pretty definitive statement.

With that said, I see his logic. Scott Pioli has always struck me as a guy who's more likely to build from the inside out meaning the focus is on the offensive and defensive lines.

Just something to keep in mind as we inch toward April.

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

However, if you look at the top three rounds of the draft over the past ten years:

Pittsburgh: 5 offensive linemen taken.
New England: 6 offensive linemen taken.
Saints: 4 offensive linemen taken.
NYG: 4 offensive linemen taken.
Indy: 2 offensive linemen taken.

Chiefs: 1 offensive linemen taken.

And who here is arguing NOT to take a talented offensive lineman (or 2!!!) in the second or third rounds?

Stay still!

Dayze · 03-16-2010, 11:57 AM

Lots of OL in the 1st for the Pats too.

2008 10 Jerod Mayo ILB Tennessee
2007 24 Brandon Meriweather DB Miami (Fla.)
2006 21 Laurence Maroney RB Minnesota
2005 32 Logan Mankins G Fresno State
2004 21 Vince Wilfork NT Miami (Fla.)
2004 32 Benjamin Watson TE Georgia
2003 13 Ty Warren DE Texas A&M
2002 21 Daniel Graham TE Colorado
2001 6 Richard Seymour DT Georgia
2000 No Pick --
1999 17 Damien Woody C Boston College
1999 28 Andy Katzenmoyer MLB Ohio State
1998 18 Robert Edwards RB Georgia
1998 22 Tebucky Jones DB Syracuse
1997 29 Chris Canty DB Kansas State
1996 7 Terry Glenn WR Ohio State
1995 23 Ty Law CB Michigan
1994 4 Willie McGinest OLB USC
1993 1 Drew Bledsoe QB Washington State

Dayze · 03-16-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

However, if you look at the top three rounds of the draft over the past ten years:

Pittsburgh: 5 offensive linemen taken.
New England: 6 offensive linemen taken.
Saints: 4 offensive linemen taken.
NYG: 4 offensive linemen taken.
Indy: 2 offensive linemen taken.

Chiefs: 1 offensive linemen taken.

Sac I edited my original post; Pats have taken 2 OL since 99 (i initially had them at 1); the other was Mankins at #32 in '05.

L.A. Chieffan · 03-16-2010, 11:59 AM

Yes but those teams are good on a yearly basis therefore they consistently pick in the later half of the draft meaning by then all the elite OL are already gone. DONT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ANYTHING??!

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Yes but those teams are good on a yearly basis therefore they consistently pick in the later half of the draft meaning by then all the elite OL are already gone. DONT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ANYTHING??!

Pretty sure you plagiarized this post because it sounds like a likely rebuttal.

**the Talking Can** · 03-16-2010, 12:00 PM

this turned into a saccofbats beat down

this pleases me

Saccopoo · 03-16-2010, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

your so dumb that leaves me speechless...and the thing is, you're even more dishonest....

How am I dishonest?

I stated that Carl focused on the playmaker positions. Which he did.

Here's how he drafted by position:

Wide Receiver: 25 picks
Running Back: 20 picks
Corner Back: 19 picks
Linebacker: 16 picks
Offensive Tackle: 16 picks
Defensive Tackle: 14 picks
Defensive End: 9 picks
Safety: 8 picks
Tight End: 8 picks
Quarterback: 6 picks
Center: 6 picks
Guard: 5 picks
Kicker/Punter: 2 picks

keg in kc · 03-16-2010, 12:01 PM

Maybe somebody has covered this, I'm not going to read the whole thread, but I think saying that they will never take a safety that high is just making an assumption, because the reality is that they've never been in a position to do it. First, they didn't actually have the need for it when they were building the program, because they had a strong secondary led by Lawyer Milloy at strong safety and Ty Law at corner, both good players at that time. Beyond that, they only had one top-10 pick in NE, in '01, and there was nobody like Berry on the board that year; the highest DB taken that year was Adam Archuleta at 20.

Quentin Jammer and Roy Williams (and Philip Buchanon) were off the board before they picked Danial Graham in '02. This was the Ed Reed draft (he went at 24). But, again, Milloy was still on the team.

As I recall (I think this is the way it worked out, but I'm a little rusty on the details), they released Lawyer Milloy prior to start of the 2003 season, but they'd taken Eugene Wilson relatively early that year, with the 4th pick of the second round. They took Ty Warren at 13 with Polamalu on the board (he went to Pittsburgh with #16). That was a strong year for defensive backs, as memory serves, so maybe that's some indication of how they'd approach it in 2010 with KC, although, again, at the time of the draft, I believe Lawyer Milloy was still on the roster, and had been a pro bowler in 2002. Come to think of it, I believe that was also the same year they picked up Rodney Harrison from San Diego.

They also took Brandon Meriweather with their first round pick (24) in 2007.

In the end I think there actually is some indication that they might take a safety, if the need and the situation arises.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-16-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

So, you'd be okay if we draft Jermaine Gresham with our first rounder, because the theme I see here is that the majority of these teams have a high quality tight end. And you yourself just said that the TE position was a play making position. So you'd be happy with Jermaine Gresham then, because I think that a tight end is going to do more for this team than a safety if you are looking at getting the best at each/either position.

BryanBusby · 03-16-2010, 12:05 PM

9 pages for a Peter King quote lol

The dude is a huge Patriots fangirl and he can't predict what they're going to do worth a shit. I wouldn't get wrapped up over what he says.

Dayze · 03-16-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Saccopoo · 03-16-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

I agree the line needs to be fixed, but no way do I spend a 5 on OL; hell, even 1st round.

teams that have been to and won the SB have consistently spent 1st round picks on DT, DE, WR, CB, TE, RB

By your argument, we should be winning the Super Bowl every year.

Since 2000, the Chiefs have selected the following positions with their first 1st Round pick:

DT: 2
DE: 2
WR: 2
RB: 1
LB: 1

How's that been working out for us? Did we win the Super Bowl and no one told me?

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The dude is a huge Patriots fangirl.

No shit?

I didn't know King posted here.

**DeezNutz** · 03-16-2010, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

By your argument, we should be winning the Super Bowl every year.

.

Impressive analytical fail.

suds79 · 03-16-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Yes but those teams are good on a yearly basis therefore they consistently pick in the later half of the draft meaning by then all the elite OL are already gone. DONT YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ANYTHING??!

Only the elite LTs are gone buy then. They could all choose to have typically the best Guard or Center in the class by the time they draft in the late first. But a lot of times they pass. Why? Because honestly Guards and Centers just aren't that big of a deal.

The very same position that Brandon Albert, our mid first round pick, would be shifted to.

And we still don't know if he'll make it at LT or not. After how he ended the season, I think we need more time to tell.

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