Chiefs Tyson Jackson is having a better season than BJ Raji - Page 9

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2011, 02:51 PM

Raji is ranked 6th worst at his position (or 78th) and 3rd worst in run defense. He has 9 stops all year, good for 66th at his position.

Jackson is ranked 10th at his position and 6th in run defense. He has 32 stops, good for 2nd at his position.

Does this mean the drafturbators are defeated forever?

-King- · 12-16-2011, 08:35 PM

Where does Terrence Cody rank?
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-16-2011, 08:41 PM

I still don't think you understand what I'm getting at.

Again, you can draw up a metric that points to year-to-year increases, and maybe that metric fits for analyzing a guy like Tyson Jackson, it doesn't mean the statistical model is accurate.

An analogy:

I use batting average as a way to demonstrate who is the best baseball player. It just so happens that the best players usually have very high batting averages, but the stat in and of itself isn't all that useful in determining a player's worth.

Dexter Manley · 12-16-2011, 08:44 PM

Deion's partner in Dallas always had more PDs and INTs than Deion. Stats rule, baby. Every one was a better corner than the Neon one by the ratio of stats...

and those who claim other teams threw away from Deion, don't listen to them...

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Where does Terrence Cody rank?
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Better than BJ Raji, but not by much.

Hammock Parties · 12-16-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobbie

Deion's partner in Dallas always had more PDs and INTs than Deion. Stats rule, baby. Everyone one was a better corner than the Neon one by the ratio of stats...

and those who claim other teams threw away from Deion, don't listen to them...

You realize PFF has little to do with stats, right?

It will literally dock a cornerback based on a play where he was beaten, but the pass was overthrown.

It also takes into account guys who aren't targeted much because they are elite corners.

Example: Last season they had Asomugha targeted only 29 times, but he had the 4th highest coverage rating.

Dexter Manley · 12-16-2011, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

You realize PFF has little to do with stats, right?

It will literally dock a cornerback based on a play where he was beaten, but the pass was overthrown.

It also takes into account guys who aren't targeted much because they are elite corners.

Example: Last season they had Asomugha targeted only 29 times, but he had the 4th highest coverage rating.

I'm not criticizing it, other than to say that I never found talent from a spreadsheet...

PFF may be the best darn spreadsheet yet...

**Smed1065** · 12-16-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I still don't think you understand what I'm getting at.

Again, you can draw up a metric that points to year-to-year increases, and maybe that metric fits for analyzing a guy like Tyson Jackson, it doesn't mean the statistical model is accurate.

An analogy:

I use batting average as a way to demonstrate who is the best baseball player. It just so happens that the best players usually have very high batting averages, but the stat in and of itself isn't all that useful in determining a player's worth.

My feelings are the best no matter the facts.......Unless its 20/20.

Frankie · 12-16-2011, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed1065

Maybe it will be more than one year? Guess you are smart cause you know the future.

T-Jax has shown steady improvement every year. No reason to believe the next few years will be any different. Neil Smith did the same.

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Anyone that can't see that Tyson Jackson is playing well is just drinking haterade.

Prolly the same bozos who said Hali could never be a defensive cornerstone or would suck at outside linebacker.

Funny you mention Hali. I was thinking the same thing. As of merely two seasons ago the majority of posters here called him a bust and wanted the Chiefs to cut him.

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I still say Orakpo was the perfect fit that year.

Think of our defense with Hali and Orakpo the last 3 years...

+ Babin, and Dorsey in his natural position. But Mr. Pioli just HAD to jam a 43 team into a 34 hole right away.

**BossChief** · 12-17-2011, 12:12 AM

Its nearly impossible to create a perfect metric for football. To do so, you would need to have access to the list of called plays so you could determine how often the player was doing what was asked of him.

PFF is by far the best rating tool available right now and until someone comes along and one ups it, it will continue to be just that.

I used to use it quite a bit and found it to be a very useful tool, till they started charging for the service and I deemed it an unnecessary cost.

Direckshun · 12-17-2011, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Tedford QBs, Spread QBs, hybrid ends, etc. There's a reason why people use those as reasons to be wary of certain players, because a lot of times those players have a propensity for failure beyond what their apparent talent would suggest.

Mecca's toilet brush comment came after I stepped off the gas (but still definitely liked) Orakpo. My biggest concerns with him were 1) his late season swoon, and 2) his propensity to get dinged.

You admitted the fact he played at Texas was a factor.

teedubya · 12-17-2011, 02:06 AM

Wish we had found a way to trade #3 for maybe 15th overall... we would still got Tyson Jackson... and he'd be WAY less wealthy.

**Smed1065** · 12-17-2011, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Wish we had found a way to trade #3 for maybe 15th overall... we would still got Tyson Jackson... and he'd be WAY less wealthy.

Get over it, its not our money... OMG 2 years later. Idiot.

KCrockaholic · 12-17-2011, 02:29 AM

Not that I know them personally, but I talk to the PFF guys fairly often, and they are pretty football intelligent guys. I actually did a little bit of work for them a few months ago. It's extremely exhausting work. But they have multiple people doing multiple things to review each game. I've been a fan of them since they started in 2008 (when it was free). And they just do a really great job of collecting data, and creating stats that most NFL sites do not have, or haven't keep track of. That's my only take on them. They're great, and I put a lot of stock into what they post. I just won't pay the price for it.

**Smed1065** · 12-17-2011, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You admitted the fact he played at Texas was a factor.

That because if he like em, Its all good.

If he hates em, **** em.........

LOCOChief · 12-17-2011, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump

Is that Gary Busey?

12-16-2011, 02:51 PM
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7919572	I still don't think you understand what I'm getting at. Again, you can draw up a metric that points to year-to-year increases, and maybe that metric fits for analyzing a guy like Tyson Jackson, it doesn't mean the statistical model is accurate. An analogy: I use batting average as a way to demonstrate who is the best baseball player. It just so happens that the best players usually have very high batting averages, but the stat in and of itself isn't all that useful in determining a player's worth. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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12-16-2011, 08:44 PM	#123
Dexter Manley Veteran Join Date: Dec 2011 Casino cash: $10004900	Deion's partner in Dallas always had more PDs and INTs than Deion. Stats rule, baby. Every one was a better corner than the Neon one by the ratio of stats... and those who claim other teams threw away from Deion, don't listen to them...
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12-17-2011, 12:12 AM	#129
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $1384088	Its nearly impossible to create a perfect metric for football. To do so, you would need to have access to the list of called plays so you could determine how often the player was doing what was asked of him. PFF is by far the best rating tool available right now and until someone comes along and one ups it, it will continue to be just that. I used to use it quite a bit and found it to be a very useful tool, till they started charging for the service and I deemed it an unnecessary cost. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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12-17-2011, 02:06 AM	#131
teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $9460002	Wish we had found a way to trade #3 for maybe 15th overall... we would still got Tyson Jackson... and he'd be WAY less wealthy.
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12-17-2011, 02:29 AM	#133
KCrockaholic Sarcasm Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $4552900	Not that I know them personally, but I talk to the PFF guys fairly often, and they are pretty football intelligent guys. I actually did a little bit of work for them a few months ago. It's extremely exhausting work. But they have multiple people doing multiple things to review each game. I've been a fan of them since they started in 2008 (when it was free). And they just do a really great job of collecting data, and creating stats that most NFL sites do not have, or haven't keep track of. That's my only take on them. They're great, and I put a lot of stock into what they post. I just won't pay the price for it.
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