Daboll: Matt Cassel is a winner

[Hammock Parties]

Holy shit. The propganda machine is churning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-new-chiefs-oc

Matt Cassel has had an up-and-down three-season run with the Kansas City Chiefs, but new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll believes he inherited a winner at the quarterback position.

Cassel led the New England Patriots to an 11-5 record after Tom Brady wrecked his knee in Week 1 of the 2008 season. He later piloted the Chiefs to a 10-6 mark and an AFC West title in 2010. Cassel has never won a playoff game -- in fact, he played terribly against the Ravens in his only postseason start -- but Daboll sees a player who knows how to lead his team.


"He's been a winner," Daboll told reporters Thursday, according to ESPN.com. "He's had two 10-plus win seasons. I did a study just this offseason about 10-plus-win quarterbacks, which is what you're defined by, obviously. There's been nine of them in the last four years that have had two or more 10-plus win seasons in the regular season, and Matt is one of them.

"The other ones being Brady, (Drew) Brees, (Aaron) Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli (Manning), (Joe) Flacco, (Matt) Ryan, so he's been a winner. He works his tail off in the classroom. I think he's done a good job in these OTAs, and I'm looking forward to working with him."

Daboll finds a creative way to lump Cassel in with a group of the game's best quarterbacks, but he does leave out the big picture. Despite those 10-plus win seasons, Cassel is a pedestrian 28-26 in games he's started overall.

If you really are defined by your record, this seems about right.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

Tell ya what. Let's just watch what happens to Dwayne Bowe this year. Then we can discuss it as it unfolds.

Why don't you answer the question?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by -King-

Why don't you answer the question?

I already did but you don't except it. That's okay. You have your opinions, I have mines. Let's reconvene here in a few months.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

Well, I don't argue with idiots. Not to say you or anyone here is one, but instead, to say there are some fans here that act like idiots.

I thought I'd laid out some video, some observations and stats that back up my claims, which are somewhere in the area of "Cassel is never going to amount to anything and neither is Dwayne Bowe, and that is your team's biggest problem". But, as they say, you can lead a horse to water..

My point is, your #1 WR is part of a underachieving passing game, yet all Chiefs fans claim the QB is to blame and Bowe is gonna be great with "Andrew Luck" etc. They don't know that when a young group -- QB & #1 WR get together, the ones that catch fire and do things are equally talented and they feed upon each other's performances.

The point I made about Bowe's routes are not something that can be debated via stats and I also reminded folks who primarily follow Bowe that they do not see what I see because they don't go to the games.

So, it becomes a pissing contest of sorts and I don't really have a lot of interest in that. The one bit of evidence I did point out was something most of you can at least acknowledge, though you don't seem to -- Bowe never gets separation, he's never really open. Instead, he is seen fighting for the ball during about every catch. That is evidence he is not a good route runner. But, alas, nobody disputes, so the conversation turns to garbage.

Victor Cruz disagrees with your silly criticism of Dwayne Bowe. He had some pretty high praise of Bowe on NFLN the other day during their Top 100 show. And I'm pretty sure his justification was more than "You guys just don't go to the games to watch it in person."

Bowe runs routes just fine. He's 6'2" 221lbs, so he doesn't need perfect separation every time, nor should it be expected. His size advantage and athletic ability far outweigh the need for clear cut separation. Which is why he's consistently put up great numbers with shitty QBs his entire career. He's fighting for separation because he's far and away the best receiver, and teams can and do put more emphasis on defending him. 4 out of 5 1,000 yard seasons with these Chiefs QBs and a Pro Bowl and All-Pro says anything but fundamental WR issues.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

Well, I don't argue with idiots. Not to say you or anyone here is one, but instead, to say there are some fans here that act like idiots.

I thought I'd laid out some video, some observations and stats that back up my claims, which are somewhere in the area of "Cassel is never going to amount to anything and neither is Dwayne Bowe, and that is your team's biggest problem". But, as they say, you can lead a horse to water..

My point is, your #1 WR is part of a underachieving passing game, yet all Chiefs fans claim the QB is to blame and Bowe is gonna be great with "Andrew Luck" etc. They don't know that when a young group -- QB & #1 WR get together, the ones that catch fire and do things are equally talented and they feed upon each other's performances.

The point I made about Bowe's routes are not something that can be debated via stats and I also reminded folks who primarily follow Bowe that they do not see what I see because they don't go to the games.

So, it becomes a pissing contest of sorts and I don't really have a lot of interest in that. The one bit of evidence I did point out was something most of you can at least acknowledge, though you don't seem to -- Bowe never gets separation, he's never really open. Instead, he is seen fighting for the ball during about every catch. That is evidence he is not a good route runner. But, alas, nobody disputes, so the conversation turns to garbage.

#1. You act like your smarter than everyone else and that no one here pays attention to football. This isn't arrowhead pride. This is not a board full of homers. I'm well aware that i can't see the routes develop downfield. Neither can you. If you wanna claim that he can't get "open" then back it up.

A simple youtube video disproves that.

#2. you should probably re-define "Open". The basis of your assumption is completely wrong. "NFL OPEN" is NOT wide the **** open. A simple step or two is open in the NFL. Calvin Johnson is constantly battling for position to get the ball, leaping over defenders and making highlight reel catches.

But i guess by your definition he can't get open right?

#3. We're talking about the #1 target on this offense. He gets the D's top defender and teams roll coverage his way, yet he still produces.

HE'S NOT GOING TO GET WIDE THE **** OPEN

Unless the D blows their coverage.

I can SHOW you Bowe with seperation. That simple fact alone disproves your theory.

You don't really have an argument here.

The only thing you have to back up your claim is "i played WR back in HS and i've been to a few games so i know Bowe doesn't get seperation"


And your argument that "stats don't prove he gets seperation" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If he didnt get seperation, he wouldnt be open to catch the ball. This isn't rocket science here.

If you're looking for Desean Jackson seperation, then no, he isn't going to get that kind of space.

He does however, get Fitz type-space, or Megatron type space.

[Okie_Apparition]

Staying open while Matty winds up & approaches the runway is not a piece of cake
rubberband glider

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Great, another trollolololol

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

Staying open while Matty winds up & approaches the runway is not a piece of cake

And that's another thing.

When you watch the replays of some these catches he's making, Bowe was open and often Matty boy is late with the ball. The long ass wind up of his allows defenders to break on Bowe making it look like he didn't get seperation.

[ToxSocks]

Lets Watch this awful Calvin Johnson not get seperation....Looks familiar doesn't it....hrmmm wonder why

[ToxSocks]

Well that was fun wasn't it? Well lets watch Dwayne Bowe NOT get Seperation...

[ToxSocks]

Pretty ****ing similar videos eh?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Well that was fun wasn't it? Well lets watch Dwayne Bowe NOT get Seperation...

Dumbass couldn't even get separation from the goalpost....

[ToxSocks]

And just for shits and grins lets watch Fitz get seperation

[ToxSocks]

OMFG He has to fight off defenders too! WHAT A ****ING COINCIDENCE!!

GEE I WONDER WHY THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE???

damn shitty CJ and Fitz can't get seperation....they should be cut...they're awful....really bad.

No WR worth his weight in salt should have to fight off defenders....

[ToxSocks]

We done here now??

Yeah i think we're done here.

NEXT....

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Victor Cruz disagrees with your silly criticism of Dwayne Bowe. He had some pretty high praise of Bowe on NFLN the other day during their Top 100 show. And I'm pretty sure his justification was more than "You guys just don't go to the games to watch it in person."

Bowe runs routes just fine. He's 6'2" 221lbs, so he doesn't need perfect separation every time, nor should it be expected. His size advantage and athletic ability far outweigh the need for clear cut separation. Which is why he's consistently put up great numbers with shitty QBs his entire career. He's fighting for separation because he's far and away the best receiver, and teams can and do put more emphasis on defending him. 4 out of 5 1,000 yard seasons with these Chiefs QBs and a Pro Bowl and All-Pro says anything but fundamental WR issues.

hey, that reads well -- except when you go to the playoff game. Bowe was no show. "It means nothing when you have a QB throwing to the other team" could be your take, it is not mine. The Chiefs could not get on the board because their #1 WR & QB din't make any plays.

As for the Victor Cruz ref, he's a class act, not TO. I'd take Cruz over Bowe any day, that dude has a future as an NFL WR. He's "top 100" and Bowe is not.

Do you know why only two teams were interested in Dwayne Bowe a few months ago?

It has much more to do with what I have been writing on this thread all day than anybody else's writings

Watch Victor Cruz. Watch the effect he has on his team mates. Ya. He's good. But what he does to his team mates is electric.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-g...of-Victor-Cruz