The Pioli Poll

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

I was excited when we hired Pioli. I was apparently an idiot.

What could go wrong? A guy from the front office of the best team in the NFL... executive of the year... a couple Super-Bowl teams he helped build. How was this not a major upgrade over Carl?

Long story short... do you still believe Peeholey can build a winning team or not?

(I know some didn't believe it from the start... geniuses)

*not this shit again*
**stupid thread moron**
***why do you even try to start football threads***
****tl;dr**** Pioli

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Wow.... How quickly we forget. Remember what it was like when we had Huard, Croyle, and Thigpen as our QB? Pioli did upgrade the QB position. The thing is that franchise QBs don't grow on trees. They are hard to find. I wish he had brought in someone to compete this year but he didn't. However, it takes two to tango. Campbell quickly signed with Chicago, Garrard with Miami, and Orton's last words on his way tot he airport were "this is Matt's team."

It's true that the only QB he passed on that we could have definately gotten was Dalton. The thing is that Pioli wanted Dalton. He met with Dalton more than any draft prospect that season. He really liked the guy. I remember seeing a picture of the two of them together and they were both wearing Chuck Taylors . I remember thinking this is a match made in heaven LOL. The thing is that Haley wanted a wide receiver and he wanted the guy from Pitt. He was a Pitt guy. In 2011, we upgraded the receiver position with Breaston and Baldwin for Haley. During the 2011 season, I think Pioli learned a valuable lesson about listening to you coach to much on personnel decisions. Dalton was in the argument for rookie of the year and Waters had the best season in his career. In KC, Lilja sucked after moving from RG to LG and Palko started some games at QB.

This isn't the Colation. This bullshit won't fly here.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

This isn't the Colation. This bullshit won't fly here.

What bullshit?

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Wow.... How quickly we forget. Remember what it was like when we had Huard, Croyle, and Thigpen as our QB? Pioli did upgrade the QB position. The thing is that franchise QBs don't grow on trees. They are hard to find. I wish he had brought in someone to compete this year but he didn't. However, it takes two to tango. Campbell quickly signed with Chicago, Garrard with Miami, and Orton's last words on his way tot he airport were "this is Matt's team."

It's true that the only QB he passed on that we could have definately gotten was Dalton. The thing is that Pioli wanted Dalton. He met with Dalton more than any draft prospect that season. He really liked the guy. I remember seeing a picture of the two of them together and they were both wearing Chuck Taylors . I remember thinking this is a match made in heaven LOL. The thing is that Haley wanted a wide receiver and he wanted the guy from Pitt. He was a Pitt guy. In 2011, we upgraded the receiver position with Breaston and Baldwin for Haley. During the 2011 season, I think Pioli learned a valuable lesson about listening to you coach to much on personnel decisions. Dalton was in the argument for rookie of the year and Waters had the best season in his career. In KC, Lilja sucked after moving from RG to LG and Palko started some games at QB.

literally everything in every one of your posts is made up gibberish

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

The thing is that it was 100% Haley's idea to make Palko the #2 and he believed in him.

Just what other options were there?

The majority here, including YOU, think Stanzi is a waste of time.

Haley can only play guys that are ON the roster, meaning either Palko or Stanzi, the aforementioned waste of time.

There's no way Pioli escapes blame. No way.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I understand that. I have always wanted him to bring a vet in. I am happy he at least brought Quinn in. The thing is that it was 100% Haley's idea to make Palko the #2 and he believed in him. If he didn't, he would not have started him against Revis and Cromartie, the best CB tandem in the league, and thrown the ball on the first three plays of the game when we were still in the playoff hunt. What more proof do you need? That was about as delusional as a coach can get.

You act as though he was trying to push the ball downfield with Palko.

Those were short passes, and it isn't like Jackie Battle and Dexter McCluster were setting the world on fire.

[Black Bob]

This is my opinion and the way I saw it.

I probably should have been more clear about that but this is indeed a football message board for one of the top 3 most tight lipped organizations in the league. Speculation is rampant here and on every other Chiefs message board. I'm having fun here and wanted to leave the Coalition. I appreciate the heads up when you feel I made a mistake and I will be more adament about clarifying opinion vs. fact and I apologize.

Pioli does have the final say on who to bring in. The coach has the final word on who to cut. It's the same way everywhere else. However, to suggest that the coach does not have major input is incorrect. It's why we have Copper and Breaston. It's why Leonard Pope is in Pittsburgh....

I don't care if you think my posts are gibberish but, don't be a pussy and say they are gibberish without explanation. Either ban the guy, ignore the guy, point out what's wrong and allow him to answer, or shut the **** up.

Some of you guys are hands down the biggest whiney pussies I have ever seen on a message board. Do you want to have a conversation or do you want to sit around and say "Cassel Sucks" and "**** You" all day?

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by milkman

You act as though he was trying to push the ball downfield with Palko.

Those were short passes, and it isn't like Jackie Battle and Dexter McCluster were setting the world on fire.

He was throwing at Revis and Cromartie. He was throwing to Bowe and Breaston. Haley's a ****ing idiot.

1st and 10 at KC 33 (Shotgun) T.Palko pass incomplete short right to D.Bowe (C.Pace).
2nd and 10 at KC 33 (Shotgun) T.Palko pass short right to D.Bowe to KC 38 for 5 yards (B.Pool).
3rd and 5 at KC 38 (Shotgun) T.Palko pass incomplete short middle to S.Breaston (J.Leonhard).
4th and 5 at KC 38 D.Colquitt punts 56 yards to NYJ 6, Center-T.Gafford, downed by KC-D.Johnson.

[htismaqe]

It's all Haley's fault...

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's all Haley's fault...

No, Cassel is meh but, he'll be better without Haley interfering and that's a proven fact.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

No, Cassel is meh but, he'll be better without Haley interfering and that's a proven fact.

Better than "bad" does not equal "good".

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Better than "bad" does not equal "good".

Indifference is worse than hate. We aren't there yet.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Indifference is worse than hate. We aren't there yet.

Says who?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

He was throwing at Revis and Cromartie. He was throwing to Bowe and Breaston. Haley's a ****ing idiot.

I don't care who he was throwing at.

The fact is, he's going to have to throw the ball at some point, so why wait?

Let Palko get his feet wet, or wait until he has to throw it.

Which option has a better chance for success?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

No, Cassel is meh but, he'll be better without Haley interfering and that's a proven fact.

That's a proven fact?

How?

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by milkman

That's a proven fact?

How?

Without going into records, injuries, etc. here it is.

2008 New England - Good

2009 - Haley Calling the Plays - Bad

2010 - Charlie Weis - Good

2011 - Todd Haley micromanaging/sometimes calling the plays - Bad



No running game to help Cassel in 2009 or 2011. It took forever in 2009 to put Charles in. He never put McClain at RB in 2011. He went with his boy Battle over McClain. He did nothing to help Cassel. He would have ****ed Orton up too.