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Old 07-13-2013, 09:16 AM  
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Who's your guy in the 4th quarter when losing to an above .500 team: Alex or Aa
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:21 PM   #121
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How many of those games were their last 11 games?



I don't give a **** what Alex started. I didn't mention that.

The last 11 games (including playoffs.)

The SF defense got worse as the season went on (both Smith and Kap) and their HC was smart enough to make a change when he did.
Uh, you do realize that you just supported the idea that ASmith was a key reason why the 49er defense was so good, don't you? The last 11 games (including playoffs) were the games that Kaep started; ASmith went down in week 9. OK, so technically, ASmith started the first of those 11 lousy games, but got knocked out during that game, but the rest of that game and the rest of those other games were Kaep at QB.

To put it another way, when ASmith was QB and kept the offense on the field for a long period of time since he is "only" a game manager for the 49ers, the defense was awesome and bailed his ass out, but when Kaep was QB the defense had to stay out on the field and went to shit and Kaep bailed their ass out?

We're gonna have a legit top 10 if not top 5 defense this year and yet everyone is gonna complain that they bailed ASmith out without recognizing what he is doing for the team both offensively and defensively.

I can't believe how many people on this board are so myopic and can't see the bigger picture of what Reid and Dorsey are trying to do-- how they understand that the play of the QB affects ALL aspects of the game.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:22 PM   #122
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BUT IT WAS ALL BECAUSE ALEX SMITH WASN'T PLAYING!
What I have said about Alex Smith, and been laughed at, is Alex Smith, is great at not turning the ball over, and he is a master of pre snap adjustments. Something, if you watched the super bowl, KAEP WAS TERRIBLE AT, even then. Those things help. But yeah, I don't understand it either. Im completely wrong. Your turnovers go up, your defense is stuck on the field more, your defense loses their advantage of field position, and yeah, it has nothing to do with the change of offensive philosophies, or the qb. Nope. There are no reasons......
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:24 PM   #123
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Uh, you do realize that you just supported the idea that ASmith was a key reason why the 49er defense was so good, don't you? The last 11 games (including playoffs) were the games that Kaep started; ASmith went down in week 9. OK, so technically, ASmith started the first of those 11 lousy games, but got knocked out during that game, but the rest of that game and the rest of those other games were Kaep at QB.

To put it another way, when ASmith was QB and kept the offense on the field for a long period of time since he is "only" a game manager for the 49ers, the defense was awesome and bailed his ass out, but when Kaep was QB the defense had to stay out on the field and went to shit and Kaep bailed their ass out?

We're gonna have a legit top 10 if not top 5 defense this year and yet everyone is gonna complain that they bailed ASmith out without recognizing what he is doing for the team both offensively and defensively.

I can't believe how many people on this board are so myopic and can't see the bigger picture of what Reid and Dorsey are trying to do-- how they understand that the play of the QB affects ALL aspects of the game.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:25 PM   #124
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So if they were so much better as a team when Smith was on the field, why was Harbaugh, a supposed QB guru, trying to replace Smith basically at every turn?


Good grief. The pendulum has swung the other direction. The detractors take it to far and make his seem as if he's worse than he is, now the pro smith guys are doing the same thing in the opposite direction.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:27 PM   #125
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It must be miserable to HATE the team you are a "fan" of, and always wish them the worst. You must be a blast to be around.

Alex Smith is nothing like Matt Cassel, and only a moron would compare them. Have a good day, moron.
Where am I wishing that Alex Smith sucks? Where am I wishing the team the worst? Saying they are going to be mediocre and wishing they are going to be mediocre are two different things.

I don't hate the team. That's the ****ing problem. I love the organization. I've lived and dies with them since I was 8 years old. I'm now 40. Hell, I followed them via ****ing boxscores for years before ESPN became popular because I didn't live in KC.

That's why continually making the same mistakes over and over and over are so ****ing frustrating.

And Alex Smith is nothing like Matt Cassel, except for damn near every statistical category over the course of their careers.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:30 PM   #126
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Smith was pretty damn good the last 2 years in SF, doing what they asked him to do.

Had we hired say Bill Cowher and brought Alex Smith in, I'd say people would be more excited in that he'd probably ask him to do about the same thing he was asked to do in SF.

But Andy Reid isn't either of those guys philosophically. If his history as a HC and offensive guy is any indicator, he's gonna have him throw it around alot. I think, personally, that he's got the skillset to do it and be good at it, but he hasn't shown that he really can do it in a game setting yet consistently.
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The Niners defense "fell apart" after Kaepernick took over, yet they were also dealing with injuries on the front 7.

Amazing how either of these are being used depending on the argument you want to support.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:32 PM   #128
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Smith was pretty damn good the last 2 years in SF, doing what they asked him to do.

Had we hired say Bill Cowher and brought Alex Smith in, I'd say people would be more excited in that he'd probably ask him to do about the same thing he was asked to do in SF.

But Andy Reid isn't either of those guys philosophically. If his history as a HC and offensive guy is any indicator, he's gonna have him throw it around alot. I think, personally, that he's got the skillset to do it and be good at it, but he hasn't shown that he really can do it in a game setting yet consistently.
That's part of the problem - they didn't ask him to do much.

19 attempts over 20 yards for a season. I would hope you're one of the most "efficient" QB's in the league when you're not asked to throw downfield.

You won't win a championship that way in today's NFL.

But for those that are just happy with winning more games than last year, it's football heaven.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:33 PM   #129
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This TOP argument is the biggest crock of shit ever.

The Chiefs, who won 2 games and didn't hold a lead in regulation until late in the season were a whopping 1:15 behind the Niners in TOP per game.

Yep, that's the difference folks. According to the AS Fan Club, the Niners defense was elite because they got an extra 1:15 of rest per game.

Thank God for Alex Smith.
This should end any future debate over Alex Smith: Defense Savior.
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Although, had we just watched Alex Smith play a season with Romeo Crennell and Brian Dabol I don't know that we'd view him as much different than Matt Cassel.


Outside of about 4 or 5 guys, the QB and HC/OC/Philosophy have to match up for the QB to have success. Brady, Brees, Manning, etc could likely be successful in any system. But guys like Alex Smith, Schaub, Flacco have to be in the right system.


Hopefully, Reid's system matches up with Alex Smith.
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That's part of the problem - they didn't ask him to do much.

19 attempts over 20 yards for a season. I would hope you're one of the most "efficient" QB's in the league when you're not asked to throw downfield.

You won't win a championship that way in today's NFL.

But for those that are just happy with winning more games than last year, it's football heaven.
I think it's harder to win championships that way, but I don't think you can't.


Brees and Brady most certainly take their shots down the field and can take the top off, but they make their living in that 5 to 20 yard range.

Alex Smith is going to have to show that he can throw it down the field more, but I don't think he has to be a Flacco type guy here.
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Oh, good. Another hate Alex Smith thread. We haven't had enough of these.

Why don't we let him play a game before declaring him a failure?
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While I do think Smith is better than Cassel, if you put Cassel in the 9ers situation the last 2 years, would we think differently of him?
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I think it's harder to win championships that way, but I don't think you can't.
It's been a LONG time since a QB that can't stretch the field won a Super Bowl.


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Brees and Brady most certainly take their shots down the field and can take the top off, but they make their living in that 5 to 20 yard range.

Alex Smith is going to have to show that he can throw it down the field more, but I don't think he has to be a Flacco type guy here.
Drew Brees - 71 attempts of 20 yards or more.

Tom Brady - 68 attempts of 20 yards or more.

HUGE difference.
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While I do think Smith is better than Cassel, if you put Cassel in the 9ers situation the last 2 years, would we think differently of him?
Of course. You'd probably think of him similarly to his season playing for Brady.

Does that change the fact that he's a shitty QB?

It shouldn't, and it shouldn't with Smith either.
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