Things to consider upon last night's ending

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Alright, that sh*t last night hurt. Bad. Five turnovers, often terrible play calls, and inability to execute left us all feeling like dogsh*t. But hear me out on a few takeaways here.

1. This ain't over between KC and Denver. With these two defenses playing top 5 level football right now, this has all the makings of a rivalry like the one Seattle and San Fran had a couple years ago. It even started getting a little chippy several times for once.

2. Sean Smith. This is good and bad, because it basically means we aren't in good position to watch him walk in FA next year, but the bottom line is he will be back. Marcus Peters looks like a #1 corner already through TWO games. Get Smith back, plug Gaines into the slot and all of the sudden a defense that already looks really solid becomes even better. It's what we need to close the gap.

3. Next time we play Denver, we are coming off of a bye. You can bet after this game KC is gonna come into their place wanting that one, and with Reid's track record with bye week's, I don't think we can feel beat already with that one whatsoever. Maybe by then Fisher will have his ass in gear and be able to block Von Miller just a tad, unlike Jah (who gave his best efforts)

In closing again I will say, last night sucked. It gets old with the way this team seems to get your hopes up just to pull the rug out at the end, no doubt. But greater teams have lost in bad ways before. (NE @ Arrowhead 2014....) I'm just saying. One game doesn't make or break a season no matter how bad we wanted to beat Denver or the fact that we should have. We were -4 in the turnover margin and still had a great shot at a win. That's a sign of a really, really good team.

Patrick Allen said it best:

This isn't over. This Chiefs team is good. Really good. Not likely to have another 5 turnover game again. They'll be ok.

— Patrick Allen (@RPatrickAllen) September 18, 2015

It ain't over guys. Walk away from the ledge because whether you're down right now or not, if I had told you we would be -4 in turnovers there's not a person in the country who would have thought it to be this close. Denver is very good, particularly on defense, and these two are top 5 teams in the AFC. DON'T GIVE UP NOW, SEAN IS COMING!

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by notorious

Reid needs an OC in the worst way.

^

Though it would be nice for the game to be pure and have the QB run his offense..see PM last night...and Kubiak's offense before that?

That's exactly why the onus will always fall on the playcaller, and it's hard for me to put all the blame on the QB...

Andy's penchant for swing passes is as futile as Jimmy Ray's three runs and a punt.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by stevieray

^

Thought it would be nice for the game to be pure and have the QB run his offense..see PM last night...and Kubiak's offense before that?

That's exactly why the onus will always fall on the playcaller, and it's hard for me to put all the blame on the QB...

Andy's penchant for swing passes is as futile as Jimmy Ray's three runs and a punt.

If I still drank - I'd just get hammered before every game - like to the point of blacking out, drunk.

[bevischief]

Anal Glaucoma is real.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

If I still drank - I'd just get hammered before every game - like to the point of blacking out, drunk.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You really don't think that this is a playoff caliber team?

I do.

I truly feel that they were a significantly better team than Denver last night and were right in it to the end (lead with less than 2 minutes to go) despite all of the monumental **** ups that occurred. (I can't ever remember that many things go wrong in a single Chiefs game - playoff loss to the Colts included, and they were still right there with the lead and less than two minutes to play.

This team is legit.

Absolutely not, last night should have made that explicitly clear.

Defense is able to hold the opposition to under 20 points and generated six points of their own with an interception return for a TD but the team still blew a 14 point lead at home because their quarterback could not or would not audible out of dumb play calls, missed wide open receivers and turned the ball over twice even though his calling card is doing the opposite of that in addition to the head coach making bad game related decisions in crucial situations and the one bonafide playmaker on the team fumbling two carries.

Everything but the Smith picks were things you can count on for KC given the personnel involved -even the Charles turnovers because he has a documented history of fumbling the ****ing ball at a higher rate than other premiere backs.

I've said this several times: Maclin and Kelce aren't enough to get Smith out of his conservative, take-no-chances, make-no-mistakes game and there are at least TWO visible examples of Smith -a supposedly smart and accurate QB- making terrible decisions and missing even the safest of throws.

Similarly, Andy Reid is doing the same shit that partially got him chased out of Philadelphia. Abandoning the run game when it's the one strength of the offense (the series that stalled in the red zone), having an offensive call that takes incredibly too long to get dialed in to the QB (second half timeout in Denver territory), and mismanaging the clock (opting to run instead of kneel to end regulation) -the latter of which literally lost KC the game.

We've got two games of evidence that makes it obvious the Chiefs -offensively- are no better than last year outside of marginal upgrades on the offensive line. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Double or look like you're double covering Kelce, double or look like you're double covering Maclin and don't let Charles beat you on the ground and you've contained the Chiefs. Kelce is putting up decent numbers but Maclin has Dwayne Bowe-esque production so far. This was predictable once KC made no other move to improve offensive skill personnel outside of adding Maclin. Wilson and Thomas are more or less rookies. Both are undersized and Thomas has no business actually being anything more than a kick returner. Conley got hurt in camp and is a rookie, so he wasn't going to contribute anything this season anyway.

That leaves Avant and Frankie Hammond as the only other WR options.. and I'm going to guess you've never pointed to them as guys that actually good enough to make the offense go places.

They weren't better than Denver last night. The scoreboard proves it and the turnover margin proves it.

The 2015 Chiefs are the 2014 Chiefs. If you thought this year's team was a playoff contender, then logically you must have thought last year's team was a playoff contender.

And I'm going to guess you never said as much last year.

[Saccopoo]

I thought they had a legit chance last year as well. And they came within a Travis Kelce doofus up from being in the playoffs last season.

So, yeah, I think that this team, which I believe is a better team than the 2014 Chiefs, who should have been in the playoffs, is a playoff caliber team.

[Easy 6]

I'm honestly not sure I've ever seen a stronger combination of both right, and wrong, combined in a single post as Discuss last post.

First half was pure truth, second half was just epic pessimism... kinda reminds me of a game I just watched.

I understand the sickness, told my best pal tonight "I've never felt such a weirdly personal, and genuine, sense of shame about this team performance, the colts game pales in comparison to this".

But to just go in for the ultimate team kill, just cancel the Chiefs season now in week 2 talk?

It went from a respectable rant, to needless "abandon all hope" talk.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I thought they had a legit chance last year as well. And they came within a Travis Kelce doofus up from being in the playoffs last season.

So, yeah, I think that this team, which I believe is a better team than the 2014 Chiefs, who should have been in the playoffs, is a playoff caliber team.

Yes, I agree.

Unfortunately, the play calling and game management just aren't up to par.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Alex hit Kelce to set us up for a long drive that converted into a TD.

Flacco got his ass handed to him by this very talented denver defense. Alex put up enough (Behind a horrid line) to set us up for the win.



Btw, how do you have time all day to be posting on this site?

He threw one 6 yard pass and Kelce did all the work from there.

Flacco was being harassed far more in their game than Alex was last night, and Smith got about 3 times the production from the run game than Flacco did.

Our offense, shitty as it is, should have put up a solid 30 points on them if they were worth half a shit. Their defense is good but overrated at this point. The Bills are better. Ours is better, although it's close.

[RunKC]

This Chiefs team is a 10 win team. 12 at the ceiling. The problem is that last night the coaching really ****ed the team up and held them back.

It should have been 21-7 going into the half. No excuse for Andy to do what he did at the 2 yard line and before the half.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This Chiefs team is a 10 win team. 12 at the ceiling. The problem is that last night the coaching really ****ed the team up and held them back.

It should have been 21-7 going into the half. No excuse for Andy to do what he did at the 2 yard line and before the half.

You keep harping on coaching when that coaching got a receiver wide open for a TD. QB missed that 7, and threw a pick that gave Denver 7.

There's your 21-7.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Had to give defense time to get set so that Phlegming's #30 was fully visible to the 5head.

More of Fat Stupid Bad Andy's consistently bad game mosmanagement.

How is this idiot a head coach??

It's ****ing basic situational football.
PLAY SITUATIONAL FOOTBALL!!

1st and goal from the 2??

RUN THE BALL 4 STRAIGHT TIMES IF YOU HAVE TO.

Law of averages says that the all time leader in NFL rushing average will get it on one of them.

1st and goal with 90 sec at the end of the half - you lead 14-7, their offense just got some momentum, so...END THE HALF with 3 kneel downs and go in the locker room leading by 7. 14, because it's 21-7 if you run with Jamal at goal to go on the 1st series.

Take the guy getting toasted out of the game.

Put Dee Ford IN the game.

After Knile Davis goes UNTOUCHED for an 8 yd TD scamper in the 4th, you keep feeding those fresh legs the ball, and never relinquish the lead.

****, that sequence at the end of the 1st half was ABYSMAL. Reid and his staff should be FIRED for gross incompetence. Before that mini-shitshow, Denver didn't even think they could play football anymore, and 5head looked like he was ready to lay down and die.

This is ALL on the coaching staff. They threw this game.*

Whether they did it knowingly and took the fall, idk... but it's squarely on the coaching staff. The players played hard. The coaches never put anyone in a good position.

Fat **** has NO BUSINESS BEING AN NFL HEAD COACH.

You're just a ****ing moron !

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs

You keep harping on coaching when that coaching got a receiver wide open for a TD. QB missed that 7, and threw a pick that gave Denver 7.

There's your 21-7.

Andy was the one shouting for Alex when he got here. He obviously wanted Nick Foles first, but Philly got butthurt and denied us permission.

The 2 yard line debacle is the same as the Seahawks. JC had 4 rushes on that first drive, three for 6,7 and 13 yards respectively. Alex did in fact miss the Kelce TD, no denying that.
But any moron would run the ball there. Best back in the NFL…or Alex? Who are you trusting?

Andy should have went full conservative before the half. Run the clock down. Broncos were on an emotional high and had the momentum. Take the lead at half and you get another shot to start the 3Q.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Absolutely not, last night should have made that explicitly clear.

Defense is able to hold the opposition to under 20 points and generated six points of their own with an interception return for a TD but the team still blew a 14 point lead at home because their quarterback could not or would not audible out of dumb play calls, missed wide open receivers and turned the ball over twice even though his calling card is doing the opposite of that in addition to the head coach making bad game related decisions in crucial situations and the one bonafide playmaker on the team fumbling two carries.

Everything but the Smith picks were things you can count on for KC given the personnel involved -even the Charles turnovers because he has a documented history of fumbling the ****ing ball at a higher rate than other premiere backs.

I've said this several times: Maclin and Kelce aren't enough to get Smith out of his conservative, take-no-chances, make-no-mistakes game and there are at least TWO visible examples of Smith -a supposedly smart and accurate QB- making terrible decisions and missing even the safest of throws.

Similarly, Andy Reid is doing the same shit that partially got him chased out of Philadelphia. Abandoning the run game when it's the one strength of the offense (the series that stalled in the red zone), having an offensive call that takes incredibly too long to get dialed in to the QB (second half timeout in Denver territory), and mismanaging the clock (opting to run instead of kneel to end regulation) -the latter of which literally lost KC the game.

We've got two games of evidence that makes it obvious the Chiefs -offensively- are no better than last year outside of marginal upgrades on the offensive line. No ifs, ands or buts about it. Double or look like you're double covering Kelce, double or look like you're double covering Maclin and don't let Charles beat you on the ground and you've contained the Chiefs. Kelce is putting up decent numbers but Maclin has Dwayne Bowe-esque production so far. This was predictable once KC made no other move to improve offensive skill personnel outside of adding Maclin. Wilson and Thomas are more or less rookies. Both are undersized and Thomas has no business actually being anything more than a kick returner. Conley got hurt in camp and is a rookie, so he wasn't going to contribute anything this season anyway.

That leaves Avant and Frankie Hammond as the only other WR options.. and I'm going to guess you've never pointed to them as guys that actually good enough to make the offense go places.

They weren't better than Denver last night. The scoreboard proves it and the turnover margin proves it.

The 2015 Chiefs are the 2014 Chiefs. If you thought this year's team was a playoff contender, then logically you must have thought last year's team was a playoff contender.

And I'm going to guess you never said as much last year.

You are a giant pile of shit

[BlackOp]

The turnovers and penalties are indicative of what happens on a short week. You add the hype/national stage for this game...is what it is. They were pressing.

KC's defense looked pretty scary....they were winning with 4 turnovers.

KC is play-off bound barring any substantial injuries...and defense in January is what you need. I'm not seeing any dominant teams in the AFC..really Chiefs and Denver look like the best teams. I'm not convinced Manning stays injury free...he's getting beat up.

KC let one slip through the cracks here....they weren't out matched like last season.