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Old 09-26-2013, 06:07 AM  
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Chiefs' offense: "one of the worst in the league, by nearly every measure"
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/9...chiefs-offense

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The Chiefs are actually 12th in the league in PPG, at 23.7. But if you take away the 14 points the defense is directly responsible for, that number drops to 19 PPG, which would be tied for 23rd - with the Raiders. The Chiefs are relying on the defense to score points, which isn't good. Defensive scoring is random and shouldn't be part of the game plan. They didn't need Tamba Hali's pick-6 to beat the Jaguars, but they did need Eric Berry's against the Eagles.

They also are just not moving the ball; their 333 yds/gm is 21st in the league and their 4.9 yds/play ranks 25th. "Well Kyle," you may ask, " if the Chiefs offense is so bad, how are they undefeated this year?" That's an excellent question, thank you for asking. The answer is that the defense and special teams are much, much better than we thought.
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The problem the Chiefs are having is getting to the Red Zone in the first place. They're 30th in yards per drive, with only Tampa Bay and Jacksonville behind them, and Cleveland directly in front of them (not good company to be in). This is a really, really bad offense. But here's the real kicker: the Chiefs' offense has the best starting field position in the NFL this year, and still can't score.
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The Chiefs average 17 yards per drive better field position than their opponents (ok, ok, 16.95), the best mark in the NFL (2nd table). Only two other teams average more than 10 yards better starting field position than their opponents (New England and Chicago). The Chiefs' average starting line of scrimmage (LOS) is their own 36.97 yard line (best in the NFL), while their opponents average starting LOS is their own 20.02 yard line (also best in the NFL). What all of that means is the Chiefs's offense is handed consistently great starting field position and can't do anything with it, then they let the special teams pin opponents deep in their own territory. The defense bails out the offense by not letting opponents move the ball, giving the offense the ball back with great starting field position. Lather, rinse, repeat.
There's a nice breakdown of our defense against philly over there as well:
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/2...p-kelly-eagles

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I have to reiterate and emphasize just how much the Chiefs played man to man -- like a ton of it. And they have the secondary to handle it, unlike most teams in the NFL. Specifically, they matched up Sean Smith on Cooper a lot on the outside. If this had been a prize fight, Cooper's corner would have thrown in the towel somewhere around the middle of the second quarter. Smith owned him right up until the end of the game when he started cramping up. Cooper just couldn't shake him, especially on those aforementioned deep routes Kelly had him running all game.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:13 PM   #991
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It took that kid 5 seasons before he started to get it... that would be fun around here, huh? People would talk about patience, then 3 weeks into the regular season of his rookie year (or 2 weeks into the preseason, like with Geno), people would start saying that it's not going to work out.
Because that didn't happen in NY with Eli?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:14 PM   #992
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If only we had Geno Smith throwing twice as many picks than touchdowns against shitty teams wed have an elite offense and be 3-0. Force that ball into Bowe! Double covered? Who gives a ****.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:14 PM   #993
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Oh wait, of course, he threw it deep. Thats all that matters.
They amassed some of that yardage because of their ability to go downfield, yes.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:15 PM   #994
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Sorry but the intellectual dishonesty with Eli and Flacco's Super Bowls is embarrassing.

These guys were doing things that Alex flat out does not do during their SB runs.
Duh they made big throws over 10 yds
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:15 PM   #995
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If you see the post I was referring too, it would be more obvious what I was referring.

Eli was the QB of a team that won a SB with the leagues worst running game, and averaged 250 YPG in the air in the playoffs.
The running game and defense were very good in that playoff run. It was a difference maker, because in the regular season, they were actually a really bad team that somehow squeezed in.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:16 PM   #996
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Eli's a 2 time super bowl mvp game manager /zilla

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Old 09-26-2013, 08:17 PM   #997
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I'm just not a fan of Eli. I dont' think he's an elite QB. I think he's a good QB with the ability to play at an upper level for short periods of time, but I think he's in the same level as Flacco etc.

I would obviously take a QB of that level on the Chiefs, but if I'm wishing for a QB, I'd rather have an elite level guy like Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers has not been impressive in 4th quarters of close games, and apart from one Super Bowl run, has been pretty bad in the playoffs. I would rather take a frustrating guy like Big Ben or Eli or Flacco who just know how to win games than a guy who can light up the scoreboard.
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Question to the OP regarding the use of the word "measures".

Are these "half" or "full" measures?
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Aaron Rodgers has not been impressive in 4th quarters of close games, and apart from one Super Bowl run, has been pretty bad in the playoffs. I would rather take a frustrating guy like Big Ben or Eli or Flacco who just know how to win games than a guy who can light up the scoreboard.
While thats true, he also has the ability to carry a bad defense to a championship. Eli, Big Ben, Flacco, etc can't do that.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:20 PM   #1000
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Yeah, ****ing idiotic. That's probably why in 4 of Eli's 5 playoff runs, he didn't throw a single game over 251 yards.

And because Eli Manning is the model of a great regular season QBing.

He is who he is because in the playoffs, he plays extremely efficient football and is at his best when the defense and running game fairly consistently give him something to work with. In the second run, he was much more productive. His first run was your classic "manage games, don't make mistakes, and make big plays when needed."

I don't care if he threw for 4,900 yards a few years ago. You do realize that the 2011 Giants were a complete shit show in the regular season and barely squeezed in.
Well, "playoff runs" meaning 3 one and done post seasons (113 yards, 161, 169), the first SB run (two games of 250+), and the 2nd SB (277, 330, 316, 296).... so yeah, none of that is incredibly surprising.
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Because that didn't happen in NY with Eli?
Probably, idiots are everywhere.
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While thats true, he also has the ability to carry a bad defense to a championship. Eli, Big Ben, Flacco, etc can't do that.
When did Rodgers do that?
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If only we had Geno Smith throwing twice as many picks than touchdowns against shitty teams wed have an elite offense and be 3-0. Force that ball into Bowe! Double covered? Who gives a ****.
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Aaron Rodgers has not been impressive in 4th quarters of close games, and apart from one Super Bowl run, has been pretty bad in the playoffs.
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When did Rodgers do that?
IIRC, when he won his SB, they had like, their whole defense on IR.
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