Chiefs Defense narrative is wrong on this game - Page 9

jerryaldini · 10-06-2019, 11:30 PM

Chiefs lost because on 10 offensive possessions they scored 13 points. They had plenty of possessions. When you can't convert 1st downs your TOP suffers. It's simply wrong that Indys rush game was why they won. Chiefs gave up 4 ypc, league average, and only 330 total.

Lots of running requires long drives with many opportunities to be stopped, which the chiefs did every drive except the first. Unless you convert those to TDs you aren't scoring enough to win in the modern NFL without a great defense. 19 points won't get it done.

Even in the AFCCG the chiefs only yielded 3.7 ypc. But they couldn't stop the short pass game and gave up 7 TDs. This year's team is getting stops at key times the last two weeks. This week they eliminated big plays except the PI.

The defense has not been good. But it's been good enough to be 5-0, and is getting better. Online is trash, and is not helped by Andy never running the ball or enough screens/draws to keep the opposing D line honest. We get Mo next week and hopefully a trade or two to add a DB and possibly front 7 piece. Chiefs are gonna getcha, yarhoooo.

Coochie liquor · 10-08-2019, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

No, it isn't - those are FACTS.

WE'VE BEEN LUCKY THIS YEAR.

Lucky the defense took out Foles in week 1 and Watkins balled out, because Jags started coming back behind Minshew.

Lucky that Mahomes exploded in the 2nd quarter against the Raiders in week 2, because without that 2nd quarter explosion, that game was the Colts game last night.

Lucky that Lamar Jackson isn't a good throwing QB and Harbaugh kept going for it on 4th down against us, because that team had us on the ropes, and save for a few big plays from Mahomes, we get beat by Baltimore in week 3.

Lucky that the Lions turned the ball over deep in their own territory in week 3, because without that heads up play by Breeland, we lose at Detroit in week 3. We were lucky we were within one score at the end of the game, and lucky we had enough time to score after the run defense got gashed.

Last night, the luck ran out. Mahomes is great, he's amazing...but he still needs a team around him. He still needs a defense to get the other team off the field so he can do amazing things. He needs an Oline that doesn't have AIDS to keep opposing defenders off his jock and open lanes for the RBs. He need his WRs to get separation in man coverage.

Colts were lucky also bro. Lucky Williams alligator armed the pass in the EZ. Lucky Shady fumbled on that big gainer on the screen. It goes both ways. Was a tight game and made for the errors to be more impactful. Sucks losing a game we feel we should have won. But we were never going undefeated. Was a poor gameplan, considering we were down Hill Okafor, and Fish from the gate, then lost Sammy, among others during the course. Andy should have protected Pat better with TE and RB. Bottom line is we’re still 4-1, and that’s second best in the AFC. Pats have a tougher schedule at some point. We’ll lose a couple more games this season still. But we have to just get healthy and let the cards fall where they may. Still feel like we can go toe to toe with whoever when we have a healthy roster.

Chiefnj2 · 10-08-2019, 07:03 AM

Each team had 10 possessions. Total yards were within 10 yards of each other. Each team had one turnover.
KC had two three-and-outs, the Colts one.

The big difference was Indys ability to grind it out on the ground and control the clock.

TEX · 10-08-2019, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Each team had 10 possessions. Total yards were within 10 yards of each other. Each team had one turnover.
KC had two three-and-outs, the Colts one.

The big difference was Indys ability to grind it out on the ground and control the clock.

Yep. It's not rocket science, but it is to some.

Mr. Plow · 10-13-2019, 01:45 PM

Defense still terrible

rabblerouser · 10-13-2019, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Defense still terrible

Got owned in the trenches two weeks in a row.

Mr. Plow · 10-13-2019, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Got owned in the trenches two weeks in a row.

Can't get a stop to get off the field. Rough to watch.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 10-13-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Can't get a stop to get off the field. Rough to watch.

Huge turnovers and penalties...

Iconic · 10-13-2019, 02:37 PM

the offense is just as garbage and i don't understand why no one sees it.

it's supposed to be a strength but it's not right now and i don't give a single **** with the box score and yardage looks like. a big reason why top is in the opponents favor to begin with is because the o literally can't keep a drive going for shit.

rabblerouser · 10-13-2019, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

the offense is just as garbage and i don't understand why no one sees it.

it's supposed to be a strength but it's not right now and i don't give a single **** with the box score and yardage looks like. a big reason why top is in the opponents favor to begin with is because the o literally can't keep a drive going for shit.

Well, when you've got Andy "Offensive Genius" Reid calling draws on 2nd and 15 from your own end zone...

DJ's left nut · 10-13-2019, 02:41 PM

Defense narrative is right today.

But/for dropped TD passes and missed kicks, Houston scores 50. The defense was never a credible threat to force a stop in that game without a bad penalty or mistake from Houston.

Completely uncompetitive performance by the defense today.

ChiefinNE · 10-13-2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Thank you, I'm glad to hear from someone who understands football strategy.

The Indianapolis Colts beat us the same way the Pats beat us and the way Detroit almost beat us - keep Mahomes off the field, bleed the clock.

It's not complicated, and easy to do with this defense.

Ditto that. The D is the problem, period. Im having flashbacks of the no punt game.

jspchief · 10-13-2019, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic

the offense is just as garbage and i don't understand why no one sees it.

it's supposed to be a strength but it's not right now and i don't give a single **** with the box score and yardage looks like. a big reason why top is in the opponents favor to begin with is because the o literally can't keep a drive going for shit.

Way too much focus on the deep ball. The one good drive they had was runs and short/intermediate passes. That's what 90% of this offense should be, with the bombs coming after you've forced the defense to play close.

Reid is trying to set up the rest of the offense by throwing bombs and it's a horrible approach no matter how good Mahomes and Hill are.

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rabblerouser · 10-13-2019, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Way too much focus on the deep ball. The one good drive they had was runs and short/intermediate passes. That's what 90% of this offense should be, with the bombs coming after you've forced the defense to play close.

Reid is trying to set up the rest of the offense by throwing bombs and it's a horrible approach no matter how good Mahomes and Hill are.

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Accurate.

scho63 · 10-13-2019, 11:03 PM

They're going backwards fast

10-06-2019, 11:30 PM
jerryaldini MVP Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $4460400	Defense narrative is wrong on this game Chiefs lost because on 10 offensive possessions they scored 13 points. They had plenty of possessions. When you can't convert 1st downs your TOP suffers. It's simply wrong that Indys rush game was why they won. Chiefs gave up 4 ypc, league average, and only 330 total. Lots of running requires long drives with many opportunities to be stopped, which the chiefs did every drive except the first. Unless you convert those to TDs you aren't scoring enough to win in the modern NFL without a great defense. 19 points won't get it done. Even in the AFCCG the chiefs only yielded 3.7 ypc. But they couldn't stop the short pass game and gave up 7 TDs. This year's team is getting stops at key times the last two weeks. This week they eliminated big plays except the PI. The defense has not been good. But it's been good enough to be 5-0, and is getting better. Online is trash, and is not helped by Andy never running the ball or enough screens/draws to keep the opposing D line honest. We get Mo next week and hopefully a trade or two to add a DB and possibly front 7 piece. Chiefs are gonna getcha, yarhoooo.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7873688	Each team had 10 possessions. Total yards were within 10 yards of each other. Each team had one turnover. KC had two three-and-outs, the Colts one. The big difference was Indys ability to grind it out on the ground and control the clock. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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Iconic It's just a ride. Join Date: Dec 2010 Casino cash: $4040360	the offense is just as garbage and i don't understand why no one sees it. it's supposed to be a strength but it's not right now and i don't give a single ** with the box score and yardage looks like. a big reason why top is in the opponents favor to begin with is because the o literally can't keep a drive going for shit. __________________ 12·12·11 回 RIP Turd Haley**
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $2899099	Defense narrative is right today. But/for dropped TD passes and missed kicks, Houston scores 50. The defense was never a credible threat to force a stop in that game without a bad penalty or mistake from Houston. Completely uncompetitive performance by the defense today. __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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