Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck. (part 2)

[Hammock Parties]

Old thread is archived here.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Been super busy at work.

And this place gets more dumb by the hour...

Tell me about it. About to take a break myself.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Look, I'm with you there. I thought he had a few good games early in the season, but got way too much credit for safe games where he came up short, the defense covered his ass, and he got credit for somehow managing the game. That's not the QB I want. And I agree he HAS to prove this against good defenses.

I am in complete disagreement with you on Denver game 2, and the standard you are setting for what is acceptable at QB. People ripped on him for his play against San Diego but have thankfully changed their tune. Against Denver at Arrowhead... look, we don't have an elite QB nor should we expect him to be. It is a ridiculous standard to expect your QB to not only be perfect, but also overcome mistakes from teammates repeatedly.

It is ridiculous to ask our defense to be lights out to support Alex Smith, but we should at least expect them to be passable. And when your defense is way less than perfect against a HOF QB, you can't have the massive amount of silly mistakes we saw against Denver in both games.

We have to stop setting the bar that we have to have a QB like Brees or Peyton Manning. I think Smith can certainly be an Eli or Flacco type QB, and the second half of the season, he has certainly played like it.

I don't think Smith played poorly against Denver in Kansas City. I think he played OK. About a "B" game. Nothing special.

Smith has the ability the be an Eli or Flacco as long as he continues to be more aggressive throwing the football to the intermediate and deep parts of the field (Like he did against the Broncos, against San Diego.)

Both Eli and Flacco have won playoff games and championships because they'll make the lower-percentage, more risky throws to move the chains and put points on the board that Smith's past has not shown he is willing to make.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don't think Smith played poorly against Denver in Kansas City. I think he played OK. About a "B" game. Nothing special.

Smith has the ability the be an Eli or Flacco as long as he continues to be more aggressive throwing the football to the intermediate and deep parts of the field (Like he did against the Broncos, against San Diego.)

Both Eli and Flacco have won playoff games and championships because they'll make the lower-percentage, more risky throws to move the chains and put points on the board that Smith's past has not shown he is willing to make.

This.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The goal is to win playoff games, which allows you to be compete for Championships. Winning regular season games is nice, but it doesn't mean much if you can't line up against playoff calliber teams/QB's and win in January.

This just reeks of a "well, he's not elite, so you can't expect much in January" type of post.

And if we can't expect much in January, then to me, he has no long term value.

Cant speak for others, but i completely agree here... it IS about playoff wins, anyone saying different actually IS a dreaded "true fan".

I expect Alex to bring us playoff wins, not to mention that its an absolute certainty that that's what Reid and co. expect or they wouldn't even have him here... i think most peoples expectations aren't as far apart from yours as you think, the question is how much better regular season work does he have to do to make you confident he can actually do it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I don't think Smith played poorly against Denver in Kansas City. I think he played OK. About a "B" game. Nothing special.

Smith has the ability the be an Eli or Flacco as long as he continues to be more aggressive throwing the football to the intermediate and deep parts of the field (Like he did against the Broncos, against San Diego.)

Both Eli and Flacco have won playoff games and championships because they'll make the lower-percentage, more risky throws to move the chains and put points on the board that Smith's past has not shown he is willing to make.

The way Alex Smith played against Denver was an A performance for the kind of QB we should expect Alex Smith to be. Actually, an A- only because he couldn't close the final drive (even though I'd attribute that to playcalling).

When our defense gives up 35 points, our offense has 6 drops, and several drives are made way too difficult because of a dumb mistake... that's way too much to ask of your QB. The fact that we still ended up one pass away from tying the game at 35 is a very good game by QB standards.

And Alex Smith is making those chain moving throws since the bye week. I want to see that against a better defense, but he's doing it in ways I haven't seen him do it most of his career.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by scott free

Cant speak for others, but i completely agree here... it IS about playoff wins, anyone saying different actually IS a dreaded "true fan".

I expect Alex to bring us playoff wins, not to mention that its an absolute certainty that that's what Reid and co. expect or they wouldn't even have him here... i think most peoples expectations aren't as far apart from yours as you think, the question is how much better regular season work does he have to do to make you confident he can actually do it.

He has to win games against playoff-caliber competition.

He hasn't done that consistently and one could probably argue he's yet to do it at all here in KC.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs Planet- the only place our QB can have a PERFECT QB rating in a record setting win against the Faders and he still sucks-LOL

dumb

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I see years 1-2-3. Where are years 4 and 5?

Are you referring to 2009 and 2010, when he was in the low 80s? Or running an average over the past 5 years. Just curious.

Sorry, missed this at the bottom of the page before flipping to the next one.

I've simply used an aggregate of his 5 years after the arm surgery and compiled them. It allows you to work development into the analysis while also not over-weighing a season like 2012, which was also an outlier.

Taking the sum totals/averages of a 5 year stretch lets you include the possibility that the guy got better while not completely discounting his down years. You also incorporate the outliers one way or the other.

It seems like a pretty fair way to do it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Chiefs Planet- the only place our QB can have a PERFECT QB rating in a record setting win against the Faders and he still sucks-LOL

dumb

Nobody said he sucks.

This is precisely what I was talking about when I said this place gets dumber by the hour.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If playoff wins don't mean anything, then Marty is the greatest coach in history. That's basically the same silly argument we are getting about Alex Smith.

Who the **** said that?

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nobody said he sucks.

This is precisely what I was talking about when I said this place gets dumber by the hour.

Have you enjoyed this season at all?

Seems difficult to do if you're always waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nobody said he sucks.

This is precisely what I was talking about when I said this place gets dumber by the hour.

It's dumber to think that he "ABSOLUTELY IS GOING TO FAIL" in the post season and yes people are saying he sucks.

[NinerDoug]

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The way Alex Smith played against Denver was an A performance for the kind of QB we should expect Alex Smith to be. Actually, an A- only because he couldn't close the final drive (even though I'd attribute that to playcalling).

When our defense gives up 35 points, our offense has 6 drops, and several drives are made way too difficult because of a dumb mistake... that's way too much to ask of your QB. The fact that we still ended up one pass away from tying the game at 35 is a very good game by QB standards.

And Alex Smith is making those chain moving throws since the bye week. I want to see that against a better defense, but he's doing it in ways I haven't seen him do it most of his career.

"Kind of QB we should expect him to be?" You're grading him on a curve.

You don't get an A if your unit disappears for half the game (like the Chiefs O did in the middle of that game - and only one of those drives ENDED because of drops).

You don't get an A when you score 28 points as a team, with 7 of them being special teams/defensive scores. And another 7 being put up on a 22-yard drive set up by your defense.

You don't get an A when you throw a bad pick on 1st and goal in the end zone.

Alex Smith was OK in that game. He did some nice things. That's what it isn't a C or lower. But an A performance? Too kind.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The way Alex Smith played against Denver was an A performance for the kind of QB we should expect Alex Smith to be. Actually, an A- only because he couldn't close the final drive (even though I'd attribute that to playcalling).

When our defense gives up 35 points, our offense has 6 drops, and several drives are made way too difficult because of a dumb mistake... that's way too much to ask of your QB. The fact that we still ended up one pass away from tying the game at 35 is a very good game by QB standards.

And Alex Smith is making those chain moving throws since the bye week. I want to see that against a better defense, but he's doing it in ways I haven't seen him do it most of his career.

Holy Christ.

The guy is a starting NFL QB, a former 1st overall pick, and someone we gave up the equivalent of a mid-R1 pick to acquire - and we're supposed to temper expectations?