Talking Draft Prospects - Page 33

Direckshun · 08:24 PM

We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder.

As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones.

The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May.

Spoiler!

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I don't see Tomlinson fitting what we are doing.

Zach Fulton.

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 08:24 PM

WR Rashad Greene, Florida State -- There are several reasons I'm more down on Greene than most folks, but let's start from the top. Rashad Greene is probably a slot receiver at the next level, at 5'11", 180 lbs, he evaporates against physical coverage. He's going to need to thicken up for the next level, but when he's running a 4.5 40, it's not clear how much more he can add without losing any speed advantage he barely has to begin with. His hands are excellent, I mean really, really good, although part of that comes with having college football's best QB reliably place the ball for you. Greene does run fairly sharp routes, which he's going to need in order to separate at the next level. He's also not a game breaker -- he's not dynamite with the ball in his hands and he's not making a ton of people miss. You can probably find a spot for Greene in your intermediate passing attack, but he's not fast enough for the deep game and not physical enough to survive on the outside. His biggest advantage is his get-off -- he can get to those intermediate zones as fast as anybody in this draft, but that's a result of his very good quickness, not any elite speed he could possibly have. Ultimately there's too many questions around him, particularly how he'll look when he doesn't have the league's best QB and a vastly superior OL creating time for him. As a slot WR who's only really valuable between the 20s, his importance to me is greatly diminished.

Nightfyre · 03-04-2015, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Zach Fulton.

What are we gonna do with two guards who can't pull or get downfield for a screen?

Nightfyre · 03-04-2015, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Well we know two things:

(a.) The Chiefs, like most teams, but especially under John Dorsey, are measureables-whores.
(b.) There was a big piece last year on the Chiefs bringing in nothing but OL with long arms to help control the line of scrimmage.

34" is bare minimum for John Dorsey tackles, it would seem, and probably for guards, too.

Anything under 33" is out of consideration for everything, including center. (Kush is over 33".)

What evidence are you using to draw the conclusions about arm-length? I just don't see it.

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

What are we gonna do with two guards who can't pull or get downfield for a screen?

What are we even doing with one? Dorsey's simply not turned off by them.

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

What evidence are you using to draw the conclusions about arm-length? I just don't see it.

Again, there was a piece on it last year. And Dorsey's indisputably a measurements whore.

I don't know what more evidence you need?

kccrow · 03-04-2015, 08:39 PM

Flowers will be high up on the decision lens. Huge guy with long arms and an insane bench number. Perfect day 1 starter at RT.

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 08:39 PM

I agree, but Flowers is likely going before us.

Nightfyre · 03-04-2015, 08:56 PM

You want a measurables whore, This is your guy;

30 reps with 34.125" arms
9'4" Broadjump, 1" below leader
30.5" Vert, good for 12th amongst OL, 3" below leader
7.48 three cone, good for 3rd amonst OL, .23 behind the leader

All at 313 pounds.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profil...ing?id=2552240

Ali Marpet also did well, but has just a touch less size.
Fisher smoked both of them.

Another guy to talk about in the later round is Laurence Gibson, who smoked the Vert and Broadjump, leading both events. He also put up a 7.72 three cone. He put up 24 reps with 35.125" arms. 6'6" and 305 pounds.

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 08:59 PM

I'm a fan of Fisher's, but his arms are 33.75" long. That's what they measured at the Combine and that's the number Dorsey's going to use.

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Another guy to talk about in the later round is Laurence Gibson, who smoked the Vert and Broadjump, leading both events. He also put up a 7.72 three cone. He put up 24 reps with 35.125" arms. 6'6" and 305 pounds.

Agreed. Matter of fact, I drafted him in my most recent mock.

Nightfyre · 03-04-2015, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Agreed. Matter of fact, I drafted him in my most recent mock.

I had never even heard of the guy until the combine.

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 09:03 PM

He looked pretty damn good.

Nightfyre · 03-04-2015, 09:03 PM

I can't even cobble together an o-line big board this year, because I like so many so much. If the Chiefs had the entire second round, I think I would spend about 5 picks on the offensive line and 5 picks on WR. That would be nice.

Direckshun · 03-04-2015, 09:05 PM

That's really my one dying hope in the Chiefs going anything other than OL in the first round. There are a couple guys that fit us very well at #18, but there's just an embarrassment of riches at the position at the top of the draft this year. It's possible they go something like WR in the first and then just double, triple, or even quadruple dip at OL later on.

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	Talking Draft Prospects We've got perhaps the biggest, most consequential draft coming up for this franchise since 2008. The Chiefs have all seven of their picks, and will certainly be picking up an additional four in compensatory picks, one of which is assuredly a 3rd rounder. As a result, it's important to familiarize ourselves with as much of this draft class as possible. I started a thread last offseason that discussed late rounders that was generally well liked and spurred tons of great conversation on all sorts of draft picks we normally wouldn't talk about, so I'm going to duplicate that idea this year, only discussing all talents, rather than just the mid- and lower-round ones. The OP will be continually updated to show the talent I'm reviewing by position. Keep in mind as I list these players that I am generally listing their round projections, but it is not a strict big board, as I likely won't have a big board put together until May. Spoiler! QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon Jameis Winston, Florida State Brett Hundley, UCLA Connor Cook, Michigan State RB Todd Gurley, Georgia Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin Ameer Abdullah, Nebraska Mike Davis, South Carolina T.J. Yeldon, Alabama Tevin Coleman, Indiana Duke Johnson, Miami Jay Ajayi, Boise State FB WR Sammie Coates, Auburn Amari Cooper, Alabama Dorial Green-Beckham, Oklahoma Ty Montgomery, Stanford Kevin White, West Virginia DeVante Parker, Louisville Jaelen Strong, Arizona State Josh Harper, Fresno State Breshad Perriman, Central Florida Devin Smith, Ohio State Rashad Greene, Florida State TE Devin Funchess, Michigan Maxx Williams, Minnesota OT Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M Brandon Schwerff, Iowa Andrus Peat, Stanford La'el Collins, LSU Spencer Drango, Baylor Ereck Flowers, Miami Cameron Erving, Florida State T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh Ronnie Stanley, Notre Dame Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Jake Fisher, Oregon OG La'el Collins, LSU A.J. McCann, South Carolina Cameron Erving, Florida State Ty Sambrailo, Colorado State Josue Matias, Florida State Laken Tomlinson, Duke C Cameron Erving, Florida State Reese Dismukes, Auburn NT Danny Shelton, Washington Eddie Goldman, Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Jordan Phillips, Oklahoma 4-3 DT and/or 3-4 DE Leonard Williams, USC Michael Bennett, Ohio State Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State Malcom Brown, Texas Arik Armstead, Oregon Carl Davis, Iowa 4-3 DE Randy Gregory, Nebraska Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shawn Oakman, Baylor Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Owamagbe Odighizuwa, UCLA Danielle Hunter, LSU 3-4 OLB Randy Gregory, Nebraska Vic Beasley, Clemson Dante Fowler, Jr., Florida Shayne Ray, Missouri Bronson Kaufusi, BYU Lorenzo Maudlin, Louisville Alvin Dupree, Kentucky Nate Orchard, Utah Hau'oli Kikaha, Washington Eli Harold, Virginia Danielle Hunter, LSU 4-3 OLB/WILB Vic Beasley, Clemson Shaq Thompson, Washington Paul Dawson, TCU MLB/SILB Bernardrick McKinney, Mississippi State Denzel Perryman, Miami Eric Kendricks, UCLA CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomo, Oregon P.J. Williams, Florida State Marcus Peters, Washington Trae Waynes, Michigan State Jalen Collins, LSU Alex Carter, Stanford Quentin Rollins, Miami (OH) Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest SS Landon Collins, Alabama Anthony Harris, Virginia FS Gerod Holliman, Louisville K P Last edited by Direckshun; 03-04-2015 at 08:24 PM..
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03-04-2015, 08:24 PM	#482
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	WR Rashad Greene, Florida State -- There are several reasons I'm more down on Greene than most folks, but let's start from the top. Rashad Greene is probably a slot receiver at the next level, at 5'11", 180 lbs, he evaporates against physical coverage. He's going to need to thicken up for the next level, but when he's running a 4.5 40, it's not clear how much more he can add without losing any speed advantage he barely has to begin with. His hands are excellent, I mean really, really good, although part of that comes with having college football's best QB reliably place the ball for you. Greene does run fairly sharp routes, which he's going to need in order to separate at the next level. He's also not a game breaker -- he's not dynamite with the ball in his hands and he's not making a ton of people miss. You can probably find a spot for Greene in your intermediate passing attack, but he's not fast enough for the deep game and not physical enough to survive on the outside. His biggest advantage is his get-off -- he can get to those intermediate zones as fast as anybody in this draft, but that's a result of his very good quickness, not any elite speed he could possibly have. Ultimately there's too many questions around him, particularly how he'll look when he doesn't have the league's best QB and a vastly superior OL creating time for him. As a slot WR who's only really valuable between the 20s, his importance to me is greatly diminished.
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03-04-2015, 08:39 PM	#487
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $3067078	Flowers will be high up on the decision lens. Huge guy with long arms and an insane bench number. Perfect day 1 starter at RT.
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03-04-2015, 08:39 PM	#488
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	I agree, but Flowers is likely going before us.
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03-04-2015, 08:56 PM	#489
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $3478849	You want a measurables whore, This is your guy; 30 reps with 34.125" arms 9'4" Broadjump, 1" below leader 30.5" Vert, good for 12th amongst OL, 3" below leader 7.48 three cone, good for 3rd amonst OL, .23 behind the leader All at 313 pounds. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profil...ing?id=2552240 Ali Marpet also did well, but has just a touch less size. Fisher smoked both of them. Another guy to talk about in the later round is Laurence Gibson, who smoked the Vert and Broadjump, leading both events. He also put up a 7.72 three cone. He put up 24 reps with 35.125" arms. 6'6" and 305 pounds.
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03-04-2015, 08:59 PM	#490
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	I'm a fan of Fisher's, but his arms are 33.75" long. That's what they measured at the Combine and that's the number Dorsey's going to use.
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03-04-2015, 09:03 PM	#493
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	He looked pretty damn good.
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03-04-2015, 09:03 PM	#494
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $3478849	I can't even cobble together an o-line big board this year, because I like so many so much. If the Chiefs had the entire second round, I think I would spend about 5 picks on the offensive line and 5 picks on WR. That would be nice.
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03-04-2015, 09:05 PM	#495
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4233447	That's really my one dying hope in the Chiefs going anything other than OL in the first round. There are a couple guys that fit us very well at #18, but there's just an embarrassment of riches at the position at the top of the draft this year. It's possible they go something like WR in the first and then just double, triple, or even quadruple dip at OL later on.
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