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Old 02-04-2012, 08:20 PM   #1096
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The question isn't about who to start. The question is why the **** Pioli walked into the season thinking that he could walk into the season with a 5th round rookie (in a strike-shortened season) and a 6th-string QB as his backup QBs.
Maybe he thought that because he wanted to take Haleys word? It's the coaches team. It's the GMs job to build that team. He built it and it sucked. Time to tear it down and find a new architect.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:20 PM   #1097
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Haleys track record of 19-26, frequent blow out losses, and meltdowns on the sidelines made him deserving of another chance? WTF?
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:22 PM   #1099
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The question isn't about who to start. The question is why the **** Pioli walked into the season thinking that he could walk into the season with a 5th round rookie (in a strike-shortened season) and a 6th-string QB as his backup QBs.

It's not a good thing when your GM has to pull a hail mary on your BACK-UP in midseason. He was incredibly lucky, in fact, that Orton was even on the market at just the right time.

And the only game where Orton should have started under Haley was against Chicago. He didn't, but he eventually went in to replace Palko in the second quarter. Again, you are getting riled up over one quarter.
No, I'm getting riled up over the fact that Haley had the power to not start palko for even one game. Palko shouldn't have started one game. You can say Stanzi wasn't ready, but I'm willing to bet he would have faired better than Palko. A 5th rounder that I don't think is any better than Stanzi started a playoff game for the Texans. That bugs me.
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Haleys track record of 19-26, frequent blow out losses, and meltdowns on the sidelines made him deserving of another chance? WTF?
Oh great. Thank you for addressing the detailed points I laid out.

Haley was apparently set to be fired after the Baltimore game. Address that.

There is a ton of smoke that Haley was being harassed by the front office in order to find an excuse to get Haley to quit. And Gretz has plenty of examples of it. Address that.

And we all know how critical the QB is. Scott Pioli forced Haley to win with Cassel for 3 years. And with zero QB depth.

Not to mention just sheer back luck with injuries.

But you're right. We lost our games in 2012 because of sideline meltdowns.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:34 PM   #1101
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Maybe he thought that because he wanted to take Haleys word? It's the coaches team. It's the GMs job to build that team. He built it and it sucked. Time to tear it down and find a new architect.
Sorry, I just spit out my beer.

Pioli knew what he had in Palko. He shouldn't have to "take Haley's word." On the same token, he should have known what he had in Cassel. Maybe if he kept his blinds up, he might watch a practice where Palko struggles to throw the ball 15 yards.

I can't believe anyone would say that the coach has more power than the GM on free agents.

Thing is, there was even a way Pioli could have brought in a veteran backup QB without forcing him on Haley. If he signed a veteran as a 4th string QB, you force Haley to make the decision about who his top 3 are.

The blame starts from the top. By a mile, the decision to walk into the season with Palko as a backup is on Pioli.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:37 PM   #1102
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Do you find yourself at Haley family reunions or something? Just curious as to why you blindly defend a clear idiot.

But I agree. It does start at the top. Haley should have never been hired in the first place.
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No, I'm getting riled up over the fact that Haley had the power to not start palko for even one game. Palko shouldn't have started one game. You can say Stanzi wasn't ready, but I'm willing to bet he would have faired better than Palko. A 5th rounder that I don't think is any better than Stanzi started a playoff game for the Texans. That bugs me.
In the end, the GM put us in a situation where we had to start a 5th round QB who the coaching staff clearly didn't think was ready, and a backup QB any GM would have known didn't belong on the 53-man roster.

When we get really riled up because a 5th round rookie in a strike-shortened season, that is a lot more a front office mistake than a coaching one.
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Do you find yourself at Haley family reunions or something? Just curious as to why you blindly defend a clear idiot.

But I agree. It does start at the top. Haley should have never been hired in the first place.
Because I hate it when coaches get blamed for mistakes made by the front office. And it's even worse in this case when we're hearing some truly disturbing stories about a front office purposely trying to ruin the coach that works for them.

Haley has flaws. They costed us several games. But by far, the biggest culprit for this season was bad luck with injuries and horrendous decisions made by the front office to address the QB position and QB depth.
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Old 02-04-2012, 08:48 PM   #1105
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Because I hate it when coaches get blamed for mistakes made by the front office. And it's even worse in this case when we're hearing some truly disturbing stories about a front office purposely trying to ruin the coach that works for them.
I'm still not sure where you are getting this from, but w/e.

Pioli and Haley couldn't get along. The end. They didn't purposely throw him under the bus. He did that himself.

Palko? Haley. Blowing up on the sideline? Haley. Going to concerts during the season? Haley. Presenting themselves as a homeless person? Haley. But I guess I can see where the FO put him in those positions...

EDIT: Forgot to add running a soft camp/preseason resulting in getting blown the **** out to start the season. Then running a soft week after winning 4 straight and getting blown the **** out by the Dolphins... Haley.
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In the end, the GM put us in a situation where we had to start a 5th round QB who the coaching staff clearly didn't think was ready, and a backup QB any GM would have known didn't belong on the 53-man roster.

When we get really riled up because a 5th round rookie in a strike-shortened season, that is a lot more a front office mistake than a coaching one.
None of us were there, so who knows. But I'm willing to bet if Haley had made it very clear they needed a better QB to back Up Cassel, they would've made a move the season before the season.
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None of us were there, so who knows. But I'm willing to bet if Haley had made it very clear they needed a better QB to back Up Cassel, they would've made a move the season before the season.
No, we do know.

Pioli signs free agents. He has absolute authority to overrule the coach on any roster decision. And again, he could have easily signed a veteran QB as a 4th string QB without forcing Haley to keep that guy on the 53-man roster. Plus, the Chiefs have a guy named Ray Farmer whose job is to know what veteran QBs would be best suited for the Chiefs. That's his full-time job. Haley doesn't have the ability or time to scout other NFL QBs the way he does. Plus, coaches are often overly loyal to players. Dick Vermeil wanted Tony Banks to start but the front office forced Trent Green on Vermeil. When the talent gap is that obvious, it is absolutely on the front office to step in.

There is simply no excuse on Pioli's end to not have brought in legit QB competition.
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No, we do know.

Pioli signs free agents. He has absolute authority to overrule the coach on any roster decision. And again, he could have easily signed a veteran QB as a 4th string QB without forcing Haley to keep that guy on the 53-man roster. Plus, the Chiefs have a guy named Ray Farmer whose job is to know what veteran QBs would be best suited for the Chiefs. That's his full-time job. Haley doesn't have the ability or time to scout other NFL QBs the way he does. Plus, coaches are often overly loyal to players. Dick Vermeil wanted Tony Banks to start but the front office forced Trent Green on Vermeil. When the talent gap is that obvious, it is absolutely on the front office to step in.

There is simply no excuse on Pioli's end to not have brought in legit QB competition.
I'm sure Crennel would love to know that as he was scouting at the Senior Bowl.

No time to scout players. Plenty of time to party at a concert...
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I'm still not sure where you are getting this from, but w/e.

Pioli and Haley couldn't get along. The end. They didn't purposely throw him under the bus. He did that himself.

Palko? Haley. Blowing up on the sideline? Haley. Going to concerts during the season? Haley. Presenting themselves as a homeless person? Haley. But I guess I can see where the FO put him in those positions...

EDIT: Forgot to add running a soft camp/preseason resulting in getting blown the **** out to start the season. Then running a soft week after winning 4 straight and getting blown the **** out by the Dolphins... Haley.
The Chiefs were ready to fire Haley after the Baltimore playoff loss. You don't find that a little ridiculous?

What followed was a year-long smear campaign. Who the **** cares if he watches a concert with his players? Why was an insider going to incredibly great lengths to leak the story about Haley getting pizza with his family? I suppose Bill Cowher should have been fired right away, because he was by far the worst I've ever seen from a sideline tirade standpoint. These were really petty excuses, not legit reasons to fire a coach.

The fact that you had to add legit football reasons to the back-end of the post show how petty it became. To address those points, Haley made some big mistakes. Especially in experimenting with the soft offseason. Big mistake, but not fireable. In terms of the losing streak, as I've said many times before, if you truly believe that the Chiefs had elite talent without Charles and Berry to make the playoffs this season, then so be it. I don't think they did. Against Miami, the thing that stands out to me by a mile was that they were sending blitzers at our QB and we consistently had too few blockers, which is 100% on the QB for not making the pre-snap adjustments. What I saw in the games that followed was the same.

While Haley made mistakes, he was crippled by his QB.
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I'm sure Crennel would love to know that as he was scouting at the Senior Bowl.

No time to scout players. Plenty of time to party at a concert...
Oh, that's good.

So then let's fire our scouts because Romeo can figure everything out by watching one week of QBs play football.

Let's fire Ray Farmer because Haley should pencil in 40 hours every week to watch film of NFL QBs in the league and other players who might be a fit for the Chiefs.

Ray Farmer and Scott Pioli are by far the guys who know best what QB options in the league are available that can be better than Tyler Palko.
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