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Old 05-02-2016, 10:14 AM  
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Chiefs exercised 5th-year option on Eric Fisher




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Old 05-02-2016, 06:24 PM   #46
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Not paying Fisher the 11 million and instead gambling on free agency/draft during this time frame that our team is competing for a championship would be the equivalent of not wearing a condom to an orgy.

Stretches your budget just a tiny bit but the risk is definitely not worth the marginal increase in benefit.
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Old 05-02-2016, 06:27 PM   #47
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I couldn't disagree more. Let's take a deeper look at the situation:

Instead of taking Eric Fisher with the #1 overall pick in 2013, they take Sheldon Richardson. The Chiefs don't have a pick until the 3rd round of the 2013 draft in which they select Travis Kelce, then Knile Davis.

Branden Albert was Franchised in 2013 and started 12 games at left tackle. He left in 2014 for a $47 million dollar deal with Miami, and he's missed 11 out of 32 games. Had Richardson stayed in KC, Donald Stephenson would have filled in for him in 2014 and 2015 and the Chiefs would have been on a books for a huge contract for an often injured player.

Let's say that the Chiefs balked at Albert's price and decided to draft a left tackle in the 2014 draft. The Chiefs chose at #23 overall. This is the list of the remaining tackles in the 2014 draft at #23:

Cyrus Kouandjio
Jack Mewhort
Justin Britt
Morgan Moses
Billy Turner
Michael Schofield
Cameron Fleming
Kevin Pamphile
Tavon Rooks
Mitchell Van Dyk
Ulrick John
Seantrel Henderson
Charles Leno, Jr.

Do any of those guys appear to be quality starting NFL left tackles? That's right, the answer is a resounding "NO". The "best" offensive lineman in that list is probably Britt but after sucking at right tackle, the Seahawks moved him inside to left guard in which he finished as the #49 overall according to PFF.

In no universe should the Chiefs have taken anyone but Fisher #1 in the 2013 NFL Draft.

And FWIW, the Dolphins haven't had a winning record since signing Albert to that monster deal and they just took another left tackle at #13 overall in the 2016 draft after he slid from the Top 5 due to the weed video.
Looking back at that draft, Dorsey did just fine. We're just so used to guys going number one and producing when in fact they don't always come in and produce right away. It's taken time and I get everyone's impatience because I was as well. First overall pick of my lifetime and we get an OT. Fisher is coming around. Hope he keeps developing and has a strong season. He finally showed grit and toughness plus a mean streak last season.
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:29 PM   #48
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Cordelle Patterson's 5th year option was declined

but wait! it's all about the 5th year option!! we gotta gotta gotta have it!!!

this guy is the perfect example of wasting value to trade up for the 5th yr option

you listening niner fans?
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:33 PM   #49
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only 17 of the 2013 1st round picks had that 5th yr option picked up
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Old 05-03-2016, 01:36 PM   #50
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Old 05-03-2016, 04:53 PM   #51
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Cordy Glenn just got a 5 year $65 million deal. Wow that kinda pushes Fisher's demands up a bit
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Old 05-03-2016, 05:05 PM   #52
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Old 05-03-2016, 05:14 PM   #53
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Why is this even a debate? Fisher is our LT and he is getting better for certain. This season will determine his worth. Personally I think he will be strong.
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:33 PM   #54
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Because it's the offeseason and it's a rational question to pose 3 years out.
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Old 05-03-2016, 07:44 PM   #55
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Because it's the offeseason and it's a rational question to pose 3 years out.
Not to mention it's a football discussion board
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Old 05-04-2016, 05:07 AM   #57
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but wait! it's all about the 5th year option!! we gotta gotta gotta have it!!!

this guy is the perfect example of wasting value to trade up for the 5th yr option

you listening niner fans?
That ignores the fact that if the player is good, the 5th year option matters. It's easy to look at players that don't pan out and dismiss the value of the 5th year.
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Old 05-04-2016, 05:13 AM   #58
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They declined because he sucks
He may suck, but a lot of teams are going to pause at the notion of paying a guard $11m regardless of how good they are. It's one of the flaws of designating every oline position as the same when determining these numbers.

Conversely we've seen teams in the past try to take advantage of this flaw when determining franchise designation for LBers.
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