People blaming Cassel for this loss are clearly maladjusted freaks.

[yhf]

For Christs sake, blame the coaches, blame the refs, blame the defense.

Do NOT blame Matt Cassel. He provided a winning effort.

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING
M. Cassel 20/29 201 6.9 3 0 122.9

Anyone that asks for more production, is, a dumb****.

Don't get me wrong, I doubt the shit out of Cassel, but his performance in this game was extremely encouraging. Any purported Chiefs fan that wasn't impressed and pleased by his play should just... get a ****ing grip.

[Valiant]

Cassel did not make us lose this week. But he did nothing to help when the game mattered.
It took bowe on one catch to make his average as high as it was. All of his throws completed were short as hell. Anything middle of the way or deep were woefully off.

He is a game manager. What he did in the game is the best we can hope for. It is up to the defense and running game to get him victories. Because if not he will huard the bed.

But he is not the main reason for the loss today just a part.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Cassel did not make us lose this week. But he did nothing to help when the game mattered.
It took bowe on one catch to make his average as high as it was. All of his throws completed were short as hell. Anything middle of the way or deep were woefully off.

He is a game manager. What he did in the game is the best we can hope for. It is up to the defense and running game to get him victories. Because if not he will huard the bed.

But he is not the main reason for the loss today just a part.

I didn't see that. I thought they let him do a lot more mid-range stuff today. It wasn't dominated by the screen game as it usually is. Take away the last drive and as a whole, it was a very solid performance where I thought he was less handcuffed than he's ever been.

Your point about him making big throws when the game mattered is definitely relevant. Part of that is to blame on Albert on the 3rd and 2, but my guess is that most big-time QBs easily make that throw even if they're going to get clocked.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

anyone who thought we had a chance with 30 seconds left, no timeouts, and down 4 should be slapped in the face...with baby powder

that game was lost on 3rd and 2 and the Texans scoring another TD...

if there is anyone to blame...it is the defense

not matt cassel

and you guys are dumbasses for even suggesting so

Matt Cassel is not the reason we lost, and I have no illusions that we should have scored after the Texans scored.

This loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the defense.

Cassel played a great game, relative to what we've come to expect from him, and the offense played well enough to win.

However, when it came time to seal the win on a 3rd and 2, Cassel failed to deliver.

Weis chose to call a pass play, because running the ball in short yardage situations had failed to convert those situations consistently throughout the game.

Cassel isn't responsible for the loss.

He is, however, responsible for not sealing the win.

[Bane]

Originally Posted by milkman

Matt Cassel is not the reason we lost, and I have no illusions that we should have scored after the Texans scored.

This loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the defense.

Cassel played a great game, relative to what we've come to expect from him, and the offense played well enough to win.

However, when it came time to seal the win on a 3rd and 2, Cassel failed to deliver.

Weis chose to call a pass play, because running the ball in short yardage situations had failed to convert those situations consistently throughout the game.

Cassel isn't responsible for the loss.

He is, however, responsible for not sealing the win.

And again we are reminded of the differences between a 1 year wonder,career back up QB and a truly great NFL starting QB. Seriously though I'm not upset with Cassel at all for his overal play in that game.Had the D played as well as prior weeks,31 points would have been more than enough to pull the W in that game.

[Extra Point]

Originally Posted by milkman

Matt Cassel is not the reason we lost, and I have no illusions that we should have scored after the Texans scored.

This loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the defense.

Cassel played a great game, relative to what we've come to expect from him, and the offense played well enough to win.

However, when it came time to seal the win on a 3rd and 2, Cassel failed to deliver.

Weis chose to call a pass play, because running the ball in short yardage situations had failed to convert those situations consistently throughout the game.

Cassel isn't responsible for the loss.

He is, however, responsible for not sealing the win.

3rd and 2 with TJ running the ball in the 1 hole would have kept us going. Even Herm Edwards could have coached the rest of the game. That pass play was the lowest percentage play Weis could have called, with the lowest result.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by jak112460

Do you want to trade QB's with AZ? NO. Then shut up about Cassel. He's not a pro bowl QB yet but he is servicable. I was around for Steve Bono and worse and Cassel is no Bono. How about Elvis Grbac? Todd Blackledge? Most you you don't even know who they are. LOL. The Chiefs have won for years on the backs of decent, but not stellar QB's. Look at the Chargers. On paper they should be kicking the crap out of the AFC and they suck. Not to mention they have the worst coach in the history of the NFL. The Chiefs are a good team that are on the verge of being great. They are going to lose games like they did today throughout the year. Next year they will truly be a seasoned TEAM. I bet anything that they will be picked to make the playoffs be every analyst next year. Nobody picked them to be undefeated after three games. Stop blaming Cassel for the losses solely. Some of you guys are complete babies. The Chiefs are exciting again and are IN every single game they play. Not one game were they blown out. The Chiefs scored thirty one points today. That IS enough to win any game. ANY GAME!!! The so called class of the AFC west got beat by the lowly Rams today. The Chiefs could beat the Rams any day and they beat the Chargers. This team is miles better than last year. If they go 8-8 this year then they are going 11-5 next year and are solidly in the playoffs. We can only hope that the Chargers keep that horrible coach they have. The Chiefs are good and are exciting to watch.

Actually, I would be inclined to trade Matt Cassel straight up for Max Hall.

As to the rset of this post, well, you're dumbass.

I've been around for Dawson.
For Livingston, for Fuller, Pelluer, Blackledge, for Kenney, for DeBerg, etc...

I remember when fans were calling for Beathard to start instead of Dawson.

I remember when I hoped that David Jaynes would be the next great QB.

I've seen them all.


And Matt Cassel makes me long for the days of Bono.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

They are most certainly NOT THE BETTER TEAM.

Not one bit.

We were the superior team...not even close today. We are more talented...and...BETTER.

and you're right...it was a bullshit mother ****ing PI call...but it should have been a no call...and a no call still resulted in a big gain...no?

Except that Johnson's pushoff allowed him to make a catch that he very likley doesn't make because Flowers would have been in position to make that catch an incompleteion without that push.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

If you can ****ing read I clearly stated in the post about some of the QBs having free reign to gunsling, which means they just pass and don't rely on the run game.

But apparently you are too ****ing stupid to take that point into consideration which totally negates your post about rushing yards.

I get that those teams aren't going to run on the Texans, which brings up the argument of Cassel being on a shorter leash compared to....dare I say....

other real NFL QBs, which those numbers in the passing game support.

While the NFL has evolved into a passing league, you still win games and championships with balanced offenses, or at least some semblence of balance.

I haven't looked at the numbers recently, but I'd bet that teams that are consistently getting 300 yard passing games, but little production from the running game are still probably losing upwards of 65% of those games.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Oh Snap

Given that this game was against the 32nd ranked pass D, which is giving up well over 300 passing yards per game...somehow I am unimpressed with the mediocre performance Cassel put up...

This was his game to "Break out" if you will...he didnt do that. And he sure as hell didnt come through like we needed him to...In the end though, this game was lost because our defense decided to take a sunday off. Scoring 31 points for this offense should be more than enough.

Matt Cassel played within the offense, and he played very well.

To call that a mediocre performance just stupid.

If he makes a play on that third and two, this place would be sucking his dick for a great game played.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

If you are washing Cassels balls over his performance today, you might just want to skip over this post:

We played the worst pass defense in all of football today and Matt Cassel put up barely over 200 yards against it.

He played the way a backup plays when he comes in for the starter. That's it.

I'm glad he looked better than he has in other contests, but better than shit doesn't equal chocolate ice cream.

He wasn't the only reason we lost this game, far from it, but he IS a reason we didn't win it ...when we could have.

Lets just hope things are STARTING to slow down for the guy a little and that he will continue to play better each week and it wasn't just because we were facing an embarrassing pass defense today that makes every quarterback look good, but only made ours look serviceable.

That is all.

While good teams do try to exploit opposition weaknesses, they also remain true to their identity.

This team's identity is running the ball, and they did so to the tune of 220+ yards against a solid run defense.

They were also able to pass the ball effectively, which suggests that they did exploit that weakness, as well.

The offense played a hell of a game, including Cassel.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Blick

I don't like Cassel either, but I put that blame on Weis for that play call. It was awful. The running game was money all day, and we should have ran the ball there. Weis should know better than to put the ball in Cassel's hands in that situation. But, if you're going to throw there, call a better ****ing play. The play fake was shit. A fake toss? How many toss plays did we run all day? Like 1? Houston didn't buy it. Fake a hand off on that play and Moeaki is probably wide open. The routes were too deep on that play too. I like going for the kill shot, but that play sucked.

The run game wasn't money in short yardage situations throughout the game.

They came up short running the ball in short yardage situations all day.

Meanwhile, Cassel was actually money is short yardage situations all game long until that last play.

****, I hate Cassel, and I hate defending him, and defending that play call, but goddamn it, that play call in that situation, given the the outcome of plays in similar situations through the course of the game was absolutely the right call.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The running game was money all day, save for those situations. You do realize the reason why we went for it on 4th and short so many times is because we got stonewalled on 3rd, right?

Thank you.

JFC, I was beginning to think I was the only one that saw this.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by milkman

The run game wasn't money in short yardage situations throughout the game.

They came up short running the ball in short yardage situations all day.

Meanwhile, Cassel was actually money is short yardage situations all game long until that last play.

****, I hate Cassel, and I hate defending him, and defending that play call, but goddamn it, that play call in that situation, given the the outcome of plays in similar situations through the course of the game was absolutely the right call.

You liked a passing playcall. Did you like the call they actually made?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Valiant

Cassel did not make us lose this week. But he did nothing to help when the game mattered.
It took bowe on one catch to make his average as high as it was. All of his throws completed were short as hell. Anything middle of the way or deep were woefully off.

He is a game manager. What he did in the game is the best we can hope for. It is up to the defense and running game to get him victories. Because if not he will huard the bed.

But he is not the main reason for the loss today just a part.

That is exactly the reason that I am not concerned that we didn't exploit the Texans pass D anymore than we did.

Cassel is not a guy that can throw the deep ball with any accuaracy or consistency.

He's a guy that is going to have to make plays in the short passing game, and to that we have to contine to run the ball to maximize his effectiveness.

This game is what this offense is, right now, with cassel at QB.

If we can 28-31 points, we should win a lot of games.

Playoff games.

Well, that's another animal altogether.