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Old 02-22-2013, 09:48 AM   #1
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Hog Farmer's gotta be on a troll kick ever since 2013 draft talk started. He's not normally this dumb.
You're dead wrong ! I'm normally this dumb!
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:07 AM   #2
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Russel Wilson is the new Brady

thinking you can just wait and get a 3rd rounder is every bit as ****ing stupid as saying "oh yeah, well Brady was a 6th rounder"

And Reid made his name with a first round QB...it ain't ****ing rocket calculus
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:08 AM   #3
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I'm cool with getting Tyler Wilson at 34 or by trading back into the first. It seems like he'll definitely be there at the moment as Glennon, Geno and Barkley will surely be definite first round guys.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't have to get our QB of choice at 1 if it's a guy that people know for sure won't be first round pick.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:13 AM   #4
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I'm cool with getting Tyler Wilson at 34 or by trading back into the first. It seems like he'll definitely be there at the moment as Glennon, Geno and Barkley will surely be definite first round guys.

Contrary to popular belief, we don't have to get our QB of choice at 1 if it's a guy that people know for sure won't be first round pick.
You keep saying this and it's fine I'd love it to work like that. But I'm tired of playing it risky with the qb spot and not having our choice.

If we wait we might miss out or not be able to trade back up etc.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:20 AM   #5
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You keep saying this and it's fine I'd love it to work like that. But I'm tired of playing it risky with the qb spot and not having our choice.

If we wait we might miss out or not be able to trade back up etc.
They just need to know where to get their guy.

Teams do this often.

Ravens traded up for Flacco. 49ers traded up for Kaepernick. Seahawks were patient and let the draft play out for Wilson.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:22 AM   #6
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They just need to know where to get their guy.

Teams do this often.

Ravens traded up for Flacco. 49ers traded up for Kaepernick. Seahawks were patient and let the draft play out for Wilson.
Yeah and how many teams have tried it and didnt get their guy? We have no idea obviously but it's risky and I'm not all about risk at that position anymore.

If it were clowney sitting at 1 **** yeah risk it cause the reward is worth it. IMO no other player there is worth the risk of missing out on your guy
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:24 AM   #7
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They just need to know where to get their guy.

Teams do this often.

Ravens traded up for Flacco.
Ravens didn't have a top 10 pick.

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49ers traded up for Kaepernick.
Neither did the 49ers.

Both of those picks were ADDING to an established team.

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Seahawks were patient and let the draft play out for Wilson.
Bullshit. The already had Flynn. Russell Wilson fell into their laps. They got LUCKY.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:26 AM   #8
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They just need to know where to get their guy.

Teams do this often.

Ravens traded up for Flacco. 49ers traded up for Kaepernick. Seahawks were patient and let the draft play out for Wilson.
It only looks like teams were prescient on acquiring those QBs because they actually acquired them. What about all the other teams that wanted Flacco, Kaepernick, and Wilson? They clearly didn't know where those QBs should be appropriately drafted, and as a result they missed out.

And stop saying Russell Wilson was this pre-meditated action by the Seahawks going into the draft. They DID NOT ****ING SAY, "Okay guys, Russell Wilson is the QB we want, so let's just play it cool in the 1st and 2nd rounds and see how the picks lay out, then we'll go get him around the 3rd round just to be safe. It's where he's supposed to be drafted."

In fact, it's well-known that Pete Carroll and most of the scouts thought Wilson was a giant waste of a 3rd rounder. That was an instance of John Schneider overriding everybody in the room and picking the QB anyway. HE WAS NOT A PLAN, and Seattle had no ****ing clue where he would go coming into the draft.

Just shut your ****ing face, please.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:35 AM   #9
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It only looks like teams were prescient on acquiring those QBs because they actually acquired them. What about all the other teams that wanted Flacco, Kaepernick, and Wilson? They clearly didn't know where those QBs should be appropriately drafted, and as a result they missed out.

And stop saying Russell Wilson was this pre-meditated action by the Seahawks going into the draft. They DID NOT ****ING SAY, "Okay guys, Russell Wilson is the QB we want, so let's just play it cool in the 1st and 2nd rounds and see how the picks lay out, then we'll go get him around the 3rd round just to be safe. It's where he's supposed to be drafted."

In fact, it's well-known that Pete Carroll and most of the scouts thought Wilson was a giant waste of a 3rd rounder. That was an instance of John Schneider overriding everybody in the room and picking the QB anyway. HE WAS NOT A PLAN, and Seattle had no ****ing clue where he would go coming into the draft.

Just shut your ****ing face, please.
And here is where you're proven wrong.



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John Schneider had a love affair with him and Mortensen even knew the Seahawks would draft him. If you don't think it was their GM's "plan" to pick him, then you aren't paying attention.
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I'm cool with getting Tyler Wilson at 34
IF he falls to 34, yes.

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or by trading back into the first.
I HATE this idea. We have the #1 pick. We can settle this shit WITHOUT giving up VALUABLE picks. That pick at the top of the 2nd could net us a starting WR or starting CB.

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It seems like he'll definitely be there at the moment as Glennon, Geno and Barkley will surely be definite first round guys.
I think Barkley falling is more of a wildcard than Wilson.

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Contrary to popular belief, we don't have to get our QB of choice at 1 if it's a guy that people know for sure won't be first round pick.
There isn't a single guy in the 4 you mentioned that we know FOR SURE won't be a first round pick. So this is flawed logic.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:51 AM   #11
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So explain to me how this works.

The Chiefs identify the best QB, and then expect he'll be there when they're picking in the 2nd (or even 3rd?) round? They're just going to sit there and laugh at the other teams picking other QBs ahead of them?

Or is it they're willing to settle for a not-the-best QB simply because the best one isn't worth No. 1 overall?
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If the QB class is so god****ing abortion awful like you say it is, then how are teams going to find that Russell Wilson? If there's no Andrew Luck in the class, why the **** would there be a Russell Wilson? It makes sense that teams this year are going to reach higher for QBs not worth their picks.

That means if you want that Russell Wilson, you're going to have to get him in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

And if your point is that Russell Wilson was just a pleasant surprise in the 3rd round, then you really have no point, then do you? It's no different than saying, "Teams get lucky on mid-to-late round franchise QBs all the time. There's Russell Wilson and uh.... Tom Brady... and... uhhhhh... Kurt Warner..."

Betting your team's success on late round miracles that happen sporadically is really ****ing dumb.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:32 AM   #13
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Yeah, Andy really "developed" Kolb.

Developed him into a career 59% passer with a 28:25 TD:INT ratio and a 79 QBR.

That just SCREAMS franchise QB.
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Yeah, Andy really "developed" Kolb.

Developed him into a career 59% passer with a 28:25 TD:INT ratio and a 79 QBR.

That just SCREAMS franchise QB.
In KC it does
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:40 AM   #15
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It feels to me that since the "experts" can't come to an agreement on a sure fire lock at QB, they just say there isn't a good one because they would rather see a guy like Geno fall and he turn out good, than sell people on Geno and he be bad, which in turn makes them look bad.

This has more to do with being risk adverse than anything else.
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