Chiefs Red Zone: A mulligan on the NFL draft

Deberg_1990 · 12-05-2008, 08:16 AM

Heh,

This should get some interesting responses..

Flacco and Albert would have made one hell of a draft for the Chiefs.

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/490

They say you don't really know how the NFL draft went until months after the final pick is made. The Chiefs ended their draft last April with some rare swagger around Arrowhead. Experts graded Kansas City's class among the best in the NFL.

Would they still?

If you count only the first round, which actually is the money round, perhaps the Chiefs' first picks were good but maybe not great. Much of that is because Glenn Dorsey hasn't made the noticeable impact some hoped he would, although we wrote in a blog last week that Dorsey's performance isn't all that unusual.

Branden Albert has been a very good player, and Chiefs coach Herm Edwards made a point last week that you hadn't heard much about Albert -- and that's a good thing, considering most offensive linemen become famous for mistakes.

Still, if you could know now about injuries and how those players turned out, how much different would the draft have been? Here's how I think the top 10 picks would've played out:

1. Miami Dolphins Reality: Jake Long, OT Mulligan: Ryan Clady, OT
Long has been good, but Clady has been the gem of this year's offensive line class.

2. St. Louis Rams Reality: Chris Long, DE Mulligan: Matt Forte, RB
Like Dorsey, Long hasn't had that immediate impact. By picking Forte, they could have avoided the Stephen Jackson holdout/injury debacles and moved forward with the now fashionable two-back system.

3. Atlanta Falcons Reality: Matt Ryan, QB Mulligan: Matt Ryan, QB
Ryan is the frontrunner for rookie of the year. He was a candidate to go tops overall in this make-believe world. This is one that reality got right.

4. Oakland Raiders Reality: Darren McFadden, RB Mulligan: Eddie Royal, WR
With Justin Fargas playing well for Oakland, the Raiders have bigger needs -- like giving last year's top pick (and future bust candidate) JaMarcus Russell a reliable target.

5. Kansas City Chiefs Reality: Glenn Dorsey, DT Mulligan: Joe Flacco, QB
The Chiefs lost their top two quarterbacks to season-ending injuries. We might never have heard the inspiring tale of Tyler Thigpen, but we also might not still be debating whether the Chiefs need to draft a quarterback, either.

6. New York Jets Reality: Vernon Gholston, DE Mulligan: OT Jake Long
Long might be a reach in the mulligan universe, but he'd be a good long-term investment for the Jets, and a solid short-term cushion for Brett Favre's blind side.

7. New Orleans Saints Reality: Sedrick Ellis, DT Mulligan: Jerod Mayo, LB
The Saints wanted Long here, but they'd be happy with this year's most dynamic defensive rookie.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars Reality: Derrick Harvey, DE Mulligan: Dustin Keller, TE
David Garrard would love to have a reliable target now. If the Jaguars had passed on Keller, they would have grabbed linebacker Curtis Lofton. When they didn't ...

9. Cincinnati Bengals Reality: Keith Rivers, LB Mulligan: Curtis Lofton, LB
After Rivers broke his jaw to end his season, this one is a no-brainer.

10. New England Patriots Reality: Jerod Mayo, LB Mulligan: Charles Godfrey, S
Rodney Harrison's injury changed things for the Patriots, more so than losing Tom Brady. New England needs a solid defensive back now, and Godfrey -- a third-round pick in reality -- would have been a perfect fit.

For the record, I debated on whether to have the Patriots take Brandon Flowers over Godfrey. Flowers has played like a first-round pick, even though he was a second. I think Branden Albert would have been taken about where he was in reality, somewhere around No. 15 overall. In fact, the Chiefs probably would have gone after him with that second first-round pick.

As for Dorsey, the way defensive tackles have been slow to develop this year makes him a bigger question. He'd probably still be, at worst, a top-20 pick because of his potential, but it's doubtful he'd have gone in the top 10 had scouts and executives known now what they didn't last April. The Chiefs loved Dorsey on draft day, but if there had been a quarterback available, there's no doubt that, knowing what they do now, they'd have passed on Dorsey and taken Flacco.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-05-2008, 08:31 AM

What exactly do the Chiefs know about Dorsey that they didn't in April? That makes absolutely no sense.

**morphius** · 12-05-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What exactly do the Chiefs know about Dorsey that they didn't in April? That makes absolutely no sense.

The whole idea is that some of the guys are not giving the immediate impact you sometimes hope from an early first rounder, so the guy switches out the player with someone who would have had an immediate impact on the team and filled a place of need.

RINGLEADER · 12-05-2008, 08:52 AM

Dunno what they're referring to regarding Dorsey either.

If you look at the DT position, as the writer points out, they rarely make much of an impact right away. Too early to consider Dorsey a bust -- especially when there's a bunch of nobodies on the line who have no ability to pressure the passer. Get a new DC in there and a couple of real defensive ends and I think Dorsey will be fine.

Deberg_1990 · 12-05-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

- especially when there's a bunch of nobodies on the line who have no ability to pressure the passer.

All those guys were high round picks. Herman Edwards picks.

Dorsey hasnt even helped the run defense, let alone generated a pass rush.

CoMoChief · 12-05-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

All those guys were high round picks. Herman Edwards picks.

Dorsey hasnt even helped the run defense, let alone generated a pass rush.

Well to be fair, most guards that play in this league have been around for 6+ years, and it takes a bit of time for DTs to learn the trick of the trade.

Dorsey has incredible potential, and doesn't seem to be lazy last Ryan Sims or a Siavii, I'd wait another year before I make any kind if statement that relates him to being a bust or underachiever.

sedated · 12-05-2008, 09:13 AM

its hilarious that Clady is now considered the best player in the draft, and everyone on chiefsplanet was shitting their pants at the thought of taking him in the top 10.

Deberg_1990 · 12-05-2008, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

its hilarious that Clady is now considered the best player in the draft, and everyone on chiefsplanet was shitting their pants at the thought of taking him in the top 10.

Remember,

Matt Ryan wasnt good enough to play for the Chiefs either.

Demonpenz · 12-05-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

its hilarious that Clady is now considered the best player in the draft, and everyone on chiefsplanet was shitting their pants at the thought of taking him in the top 10.

People didn't want him at all. Some of them because they are stupid, but some of them smart enough to know that if we drafted clady, we would have him run one on one with no help, we would give him crappy coaching, and make him do things he isn't capible to do. With the broncos (I maybe wrong) they probably still have him cut people, cut back side, have him zone block and get to the second level, things that he is good at. We would have round pegged a square hole once again. If we would have had clady we would have had him try to road grate people. He would have failed and we would have had a free agent come in here and suck. Then 4 years lady he would play for colts or donco's and blossom.

Brock · 12-05-2008, 09:41 AM

Would anyone -ANYONE- rather have Matt Forte than Chris Long?

Hootie · 12-05-2008, 09:45 AM

this is a really dumb thread...

Matt Forte #2? Uhm, he's no Chris Johnson for one.

Dustin Keller #8?

Sure...some of these guys are playing good football but they all have ceilings...and I don't think you take a Matt Forte #2 overall, regardless of how good he might be...because he's a running back. Short life span.

You only take the rare guys like AP that high.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-05-2008, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated

its hilarious that Clady is now considered the best player in the draft, and everyone on chiefsplanet was shitting their pants at the thought of taking him in the top 10.

Show me one other person who would say that Clady should have been the first overall pick, other than Kent ****ing Babb.

raybec 4 · 12-05-2008, 10:55 AM

That entire article was ****ing idiotic.

**The Franchise** · 12-05-2008, 10:59 AM

This is dumb as all hell.

DaWolf · 12-05-2008, 11:15 AM

This is why you don't judge a draft based on year 1.

I could understand this article if the Chiefs were a player away from being SB champs, but that ain't the case...

12-05-2008, 08:16 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Red Zone: A mulligan on the NFL draft Heh, This should get some interesting responses.. Flacco and Albert would have made one hell of a draft for the Chiefs. http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/490 They say you don't really know how the NFL draft went until months after the final pick is made. The Chiefs ended their draft last April with some rare swagger around Arrowhead. Experts graded Kansas City's class among the best in the NFL. Would they still? If you count only the first round, which actually is the money round, perhaps the Chiefs' first picks were good but maybe not great. Much of that is because Glenn Dorsey hasn't made the noticeable impact some hoped he would, although we wrote in a blog last week that Dorsey's performance isn't all that unusual. Branden Albert has been a very good player, and Chiefs coach Herm Edwards made a point last week that you hadn't heard much about Albert -- and that's a good thing, considering most offensive linemen become famous for mistakes. Still, if you could know now about injuries and how those players turned out, how much different would the draft have been? Here's how I think the top 10 picks would've played out: 1. Miami Dolphins Reality: Jake Long, OT Mulligan: Ryan Clady, OT Long has been good, but Clady has been the gem of this year's offensive line class. 2. St. Louis Rams Reality: Chris Long, DE Mulligan: Matt Forte, RB Like Dorsey, Long hasn't had that immediate impact. By picking Forte, they could have avoided the Stephen Jackson holdout/injury debacles and moved forward with the now fashionable two-back system. 3. Atlanta Falcons Reality: Matt Ryan, QB Mulligan: Matt Ryan, QB Ryan is the frontrunner for rookie of the year. He was a candidate to go tops overall in this make-believe world. This is one that reality got right. 4. Oakland Raiders Reality: Darren McFadden, RB Mulligan: Eddie Royal, WR With Justin Fargas playing well for Oakland, the Raiders have bigger needs -- like giving last year's top pick (and future bust candidate) JaMarcus Russell a reliable target. 5. Kansas City Chiefs Reality: Glenn Dorsey, DT Mulligan: Joe Flacco, QB The Chiefs lost their top two quarterbacks to season-ending injuries. We might never have heard the inspiring tale of Tyler Thigpen, but we also might not still be debating whether the Chiefs need to draft a quarterback, either. 6. New York Jets Reality: Vernon Gholston, DE Mulligan: OT Jake Long Long might be a reach in the mulligan universe, but he'd be a good long-term investment for the Jets, and a solid short-term cushion for Brett Favre's blind side. 7. New Orleans Saints Reality: Sedrick Ellis, DT Mulligan: Jerod Mayo, LB The Saints wanted Long here, but they'd be happy with this year's most dynamic defensive rookie. 8. Jacksonville Jaguars Reality: Derrick Harvey, DE Mulligan: Dustin Keller, TE David Garrard would love to have a reliable target now. If the Jaguars had passed on Keller, they would have grabbed linebacker Curtis Lofton. When they didn't ... 9. Cincinnati Bengals Reality: Keith Rivers, LB Mulligan: Curtis Lofton, LB After Rivers broke his jaw to end his season, this one is a no-brainer. 10. New England Patriots Reality: Jerod Mayo, LB Mulligan: Charles Godfrey, S Rodney Harrison's injury changed things for the Patriots, more so than losing Tom Brady. New England needs a solid defensive back now, and Godfrey -- a third-round pick in reality -- would have been a perfect fit. For the record, I debated on whether to have the Patriots take Brandon Flowers over Godfrey. Flowers has played like a first-round pick, even though he was a second. I think Branden Albert would have been taken about where he was in reality, somewhere around No. 15 overall. In fact, the Chiefs probably would have gone after him with that second first-round pick. As for Dorsey, the way defensive tackles have been slow to develop this year makes him a bigger question. He'd probably still be, at worst, a top-20 pick because of his potential, but it's doubtful he'd have gone in the top 10 had scouts and executives known now what they didn't last April. The Chiefs loved Dorsey on draft day, but if there had been a quarterback available, there's no doubt that, knowing what they do now, they'd have passed on Dorsey and taken Flacco.
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RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8610503	Dunno what they're referring to regarding Dorsey either. If you look at the DT position, as the writer points out, they rarely make much of an impact right away. Too early to consider Dorsey a bust -- especially when there's a bunch of nobodies on the line who have no ability to pressure the passer. Get a new DC in there and a couple of real defensive ends and I think Dorsey will be fine.
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	this is a really dumb thread... Matt Forte #2? Uhm, he's no Chris Johnson for one. Dustin Keller #8? Sure...some of these guys are playing good football but they all have ceilings...and I don't think you take a Matt Forte #2 overall, regardless of how good he might be...because he's a running back. Short life span. You only take the rare guys like AP that high.
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DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10007725	This is why you don't judge a draft based on year 1. I could understand this article if the Chiefs were a player away from being SB champs, but that ain't the case...
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