NFL Draft another stupid expert doesn't believe in Sanchez and Stafford

kcbubb · 02-26-2009, 09:40 AM

I have taken out a few pieces of this article to irritate the Sanchez and Stafford lovers. If you want to read the entire article, here it is.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...assel?MSNHPHMA

Teams who should make a run at Matt Cassel

by John Czarnecki
John Czarnecki has been the editorial consultant for FOX NFL Sunday since its 1994 inception. This season marks Czarnecki's 30th year covering the NFL. He is one of 44 selectors to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

What the Patriots do or don't do with Cassel could define if not the top of the draft, but the draft in general.

Let's return to the Lions, who own the first pick in April's draft.

Today, there is no way the Lions will use that choice on either Georgia's Matt Stafford or USC's Mark Sanchez, the top-rated quarterbacks in the draft. Now, they might consider using it on Cassel, but they won't do that, either, even though he is preferred over the unknown rookies. Instead, the Lions will probably choose between two offensive tackles, Baylor's Jason Smith or Virginia's Eugene Monroe. It's the Jake Long syndrome all over again. Alabama's Andre Smith is out of the mix because his college coaches have been faint with their praise of their road-grader tackle who left here because he didn't feel like he was in the proper shape to compete.

Nothing against Stafford or Sanchez, but neither appears to be the next Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. Now, Cassel displayed impressive tools in highly-pressurized situations last season, plus there's less wear and tear on his body, considering he's only played one season in the last eight years. Neither Stafford or Sanchez can claim that.

Mecca · 02-26-2009, 09:44 AM

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco weren't "Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco" going into last years draft...

L.A. Chieffan · 02-26-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco weren't "Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco" going into last years draft...

i was just gonna say that. at least with joe flacco

Mecca · 02-26-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

i was just gonna say that. at least with joe flacco

It's the same shit every year...no pick is a sure thing and people act like if a QB isn't a sure thing you can't possibly draft him.

kcbubb · 02-26-2009, 09:51 AM

here you go again with the fear tactics. what if people don't think he is that good? why can't you consider that maybe they aren't that good.

Mecca · 02-26-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

here you go again with the fear tactics. what if people don't think he is that good? why can't you consider that maybe they aren't that good.

Because that same argument is used no matter who the QB is?

I'm sorry I have a really hard time taking an argument seriously when it is the exact same ones that have been used year after year and the names are replaced with the top prospects of the year.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-26-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

here you go again with the fear tactics. what if people don't think he is that good? why can't you consider that maybe they aren't that good.

Thanks for the lesson in forecasting the future based on revisionist history.

Mecca · 02-26-2009, 09:55 AM

Every single prospect is different, trying to say "such and such underclassmen did this" is a nice stat but it has no bearing on how these guys will pan out.

You judge them based on what they are and frankly there aren't a whole lot of flaws there these guys are very comparable to Matt Ryan as prospects if not better prospects, no one will say that now because Ryan was good right away.

ModSocks · 02-26-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco weren't "Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco" going into last years draft...

Damn, beat me to it

Brock · 02-26-2009, 09:57 AM

Are you sure Carl Peterson didn't write this?

Chief_in_Commander · 02-26-2009, 09:57 AM

If Pioli thinks either one of them is good enough, I will definitley back him up and be happy, if he thinks otherwise, i'm ok with that too. It's so hard to know if it's going to be Matt Ryan or Jamarcus Russel.

kcbubb · 02-26-2009, 09:59 AM

who do you like better, Sanchez or Stafford?

Fritz88 · 02-26-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Because that same argument is used no matter who the QB is?

.

I would not use that on Sam Bradford.

ModSocks · 02-26-2009, 10:01 AM

I hope we draft a QB and he succeeds, not just because im a Chiefs fan and want the best for my team, but because i would love to rub the shit in some of your faces.

Mecca is right, they say the same shit about every Qb every god-damn year. Some of you act like people doubting 1st rd Qb's is something new for these so called "experts". It's not. Quit sippin the hater-aid. They seem to hate on every QB in the draft every year unless he's black. If the Qb is black, or "a Dual threat" to keep it pc, then that Qb is the second coming of christ, ala Vick, Young, Russell and so forth.

Mecca · 02-26-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Fritz88

I would not use that on Sam Bradford.

Well he's from the Big 12 so obviously he would get an exemption from half the forum while being a worse prospect than both these guys.

02-26-2009, 09:40 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6066719	another stupid expert doesn't believe in Sanchez and Stafford I have taken out a few pieces of this article to irritate the Sanchez and Stafford lovers. If you want to read the entire article, here it is. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...assel?MSNHPHMA Teams who should make a run at Matt Cassel by John Czarnecki John Czarnecki has been the editorial consultant for FOX NFL Sunday since its 1994 inception. This season marks Czarnecki's 30th year covering the NFL. He is one of 44 selectors to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. What the Patriots do or don't do with Cassel could define if not the top of the draft, but the draft in general. Let's return to the Lions, who own the first pick in April's draft. Today, there is no way the Lions will use that choice on either Georgia's Matt Stafford or USC's Mark Sanchez, the top-rated quarterbacks in the draft. Now, they might consider using it on Cassel, but they won't do that, either, even though he is preferred over the unknown rookies. Instead, the Lions will probably choose between two offensive tackles, Baylor's Jason Smith or Virginia's Eugene Monroe. It's the Jake Long syndrome all over again. Alabama's Andre Smith is out of the mix because his college coaches have been faint with their praise of their road-grader tackle who left here because he didn't feel like he was in the proper shape to compete. Nothing against Stafford or Sanchez, but neither appears to be the next Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. Now, Cassel displayed impressive tools in highly-pressurized situations last season, plus there's less wear and tear on his body, considering he's only played one season in the last eight years. Neither Stafford or Sanchez can claim that.
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02-26-2009, 09:44 AM	#2
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2387050	Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco weren't "Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco" going into last years draft...
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02-26-2009, 09:51 AM	#5
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6066719	here you go again with the fear tactics. what if people don't think he is that good? why can't you consider that maybe they aren't that good.
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02-26-2009, 09:55 AM	#8
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2387050	Every single prospect is different, trying to say "such and such underclassmen did this" is a nice stat but it has no bearing on how these guys will pan out. You judge them based on what they are and frankly there aren't a whole lot of flaws there these guys are very comparable to Matt Ryan as prospects if not better prospects, no one will say that now because Ryan was good right away.
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02-26-2009, 09:57 AM	#10
Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	Are you sure Carl Peterson didn't write this?
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Chief_in_Commander Not Enlisted Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $10015275	If Pioli thinks either one of them is good enough, I will definitley back him up and be happy, if he thinks otherwise, i'm ok with that too. It's so hard to know if it's going to be Matt Ryan or Jamarcus Russel.
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02-26-2009, 09:59 AM	#12
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6066719	who do you like better, Sanchez or Stafford?
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02-26-2009, 10:01 AM	#14
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $4094563	I hope we draft a QB and he succeeds, not just because im a Chiefs fan and want the best for my team, but because i would love to rub the shit in some of your faces. Mecca is right, they say the same shit about every Qb every god-damn year. Some of you act like people doubting 1st rd Qb's is something new for these so called "experts". It's not. Quit sippin the hater-aid. They seem to hate on every QB in the draft every year unless he's black. If the Qb is black, or "a Dual threat" to keep it pc, then that Qb is the second coming of christ, ala Vick, Young, Russell and so forth.
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